We need a new national ID card, regime change in Iran and Syria, & more.

National Review Online ^ | Jan 5, 2004 | David Frum

[Jimmy Valentine]

The border patrol had Boyd Lee Malvo [sniper] in their hands and the INS let him go.

I.D. cards won't do a thing in the absence of someone enforcing the law.

Regards,

[Jimmy Valentine]

1st, 4th and 5th amendments for openers

[tommix2]

And require them for voting. Then our votes wouldn't be diluted by the votes of all the illegal immigrants. National ID card is the only way we are going to get honest elections. I am willing to accept the ID card to stop vote fraud.

[LandofLincoln]

It argues for tighter controls on entry into the United States (This part I agree with) and a new national ID card (I don't think so, even those that should not have one could probably buy one from former-Illinois Governor George Ryan) to guarantee that those who are not entitled to be in the country will be caught and deported.This could be done by simply asking them for a social security card.

[LandofLincoln]

Kingu, if it were the Rapist in chief or his wife suggesting this you would be screaming.

Why is it that a Republican can do what a Democrat can't?

What do Americans stand for and what are they against?

Answer Please ... Simply put, it matters not what is done to us, by rather who does it. A bunch of f*cking phonies.

[Atlas Sneezed]

Wrong. Unless we ban Gummi Bears.
Fun with Fingerprint Readers

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Actually, modern ones (like you get for under $1000, and probably included on your next mouse or keyboard) have color sensors that detect the color change as the blood squishes out of your tissue, and the pink edges and yellower middle of your fingerprint.

Plus many more aspects that make routine fakery (and use of a severed digit) ineffective.

[Knitebane]

Actually, modern ones (like you get for under $1000, and probably included on your next mouse or keyboard) have color sensors that detect the color change as the blood squishes out of your tissue, and the pink edges and yellower middle of your fingerprint.

I have a relative that makes special effects for a living. I'm sure he could whip up a prosthetic device that would defeat any kind of safeguards you might want to add.

Biometrics have been hailed as the end-all of security features but their cheerleaders have overlooked the most damaging aspect of them. Namely, they have no ability to be revoked.

A couple of circumstances that come to mind are:

1) A database error mixes up your fingerprint with an known terrorist. How do you prove you aren't a terrorist?

2) All fingerprint data is stored in a digital format. At that point, it's no different than any other data in a database. What security measures are in place to keep a cracker (or a disgruntled or bribed goverment worker) from changing the data?

3) Once these systems are mandated by government, how do we get rid of them once they are proven to be useless? Just like we have gotten rid of all of those other useless governement programs, right?

4) Your hands were burned in a fire. How do you identify yourself to a government agency?

Biometrics, like AI, PKI, and numerous other technological "silver bullets" are not the answer, but you'll always find a salesman that will tell you differently, provided that you're willing to buy 10,000 units.

[DLfromthedesert]

"We already give them huge amounts of information" ... so let's bend over and give them our souls.

How about reversing course on government control... like the Pubbies promised when they achieved ascendancy in 1994.

[GovernmentShrinker]

That's how I see it. There's no use protesting that the cards would violate our rights as free citizens, while our rights are increasingly being voted away from us by illegal immigrants who are only interested in increasing government handouts.

[DLfromthedesert]

Or go to the bathroom?

[GovernmentShrinker]

2) All fingerprint data is stored in a digital format. At that point, it's no different than any other data in a database. What security measures are in place to keep a cracker (or a disgruntled or bribed goverment worker) from changing the data?

A national biometric ID program would need to have provision for back-up at the state and county levels. This would provide recourse in the event of tampering with a database.

[Vermont Lt]

What we really need is a program for neighbors to watch each other and report the goings on on the block. Someone needs to be watching us. The government needs to track what I do and where I go. The NEED to do this. I might be a threat to the country. You never know....

//sarcasm off//

[CalKat]

You have to show your social security card for financial transactions in California? I've lived here almost all my life and I think the only time I've ever shown my social security card was for my first job. I haven't even had a card for at least 20 years. I have all the normal financial dealings -- checking, savings, IRAs, CDs, stock, 401(k) and stock options. No one has ever asked for my social security card. I just refinanced my house for the third time, too, and I've never shown it in connection with real estate transactions either. Who's asking your for yours?

[GovernmentShrinker]

The ID program needs to be biometrically based, not card-based. Cards might be useful as an optional convenience, but their forgeability makes them useless as real ID, and mandating the carrying of them would be unconstitutional as well as annoying.

[DLfromthedesert]

I wonder if they're not allowed to pay in cash at their local Circle K's when they buy a coke in Cali.

[CalKat]

Say what?

[tommix2]

It is not only illegal immigrants diluting our vote. Various kinds of impostors, dead people, fraudulent absentee ballots all diluting our vote. Democracy presupposes honest elections and we are losing democracy because of vote fraud.

[DLfromthedesert]

If you pay in cash, you still have to show your ID, or it's just not allowed?

[CalKat]

Oh. I apparently live in a different California than the guy who has to show his social security card all the time, but so far, you don't have to show ID to buy something with cash.

[autoresponder]

All the US military is fingerprinted and in FBI files.

If we Vets and current military have our fingerprints in FBI and DoD permanent files why should others, including many criminals and ILLEGAL ALIENS be net subject to the same laws?

Most people already have state DMV license photo IDs with addresses, date of birth, and ID data.

A red border for any foreigner here without a green card, even if on a legal US Visa.

A green border or those here living legally with agreen card.

A red, white, and blue border for US citizens.

Anyone else gets no DMV licenses, SS cards, employment, contracts, benefits, etc. and subject to mandatory instant detainment until legal status in USA is proven 100%.

Would have nailed Mohammed Atta.