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Police-Seized Loot Is Online, and Yes, It's a Steal
NYTimes ^ | January 4, 2004 | MICHAEL WILSON

Posted on 01/04/2004 6:08:06 AM PST by RJCogburn

The police auction has always been a depressed and homely cousin of the chipper yard sale, a gray Saturday morning in a municipal back lot, grim strangers sifting through boxes full of other people's losses. Do I hear $2 for the boy's mountain bike? Very good, sir. What about $3?

Those days are over in New York City, whose Police Department has joined some 300 others around the country in clearing out crowded property rooms online, unloading hundreds of television sets and car stereo speakers, leather coats and compact discs, cellphones and anything else that once belonged to someone else and is now just taking up space on a locked storeroom shelf.

With the click of a mouse, one man's home invasion nightmare becomes another man's bargain bracelet for the wife. Yesterday's sadness, today's joy.

In late August the New York Police Department signed a contract with the Property Room, a California company that runs the Web site propertyroom.com. The site, which auctions just about every imaginable item that has been seized by the police besides cars, receives some 12 million hits a month, said Tom Lane, a former New York City officer and one of the company's founders.

The Web site lists nearly 200,000 registered bidders, far more than the handful of early risers who used to show up for the Police Department's live auctions at the otherwise deserted — and remarkably hard to find — 1 Police Plaza in Lower Manhattan.

The Property Room keeps half the proceeds from items that sell for less than $1,000 — the vast majority of its inventory — and 25 percent from the sale of more expensive items. Buyers pay for shipping unless they choose to pick up their merchandise from warehouses in Farmingdale, on Long Island, or Los Angeles.

The company says that about 98 percent of everything it posts online sells, far more than at live auctions.

So far, the New York Police Department has received three checks from the company, for a total of about $55,000, police officials said.

Part eBay and part "Cops" episode, the Web site is alternatively cheery ("Hot Pursuit Specials!") and puzzling. How did the police end up with that collectible "I Love Lucy" plate anyway? Where did those eight candlesticks and a Bible come from? Are they really selling that hydroponic grow light — that staple of dorm-room marijuana cultivation? How long before they show up to seize it back?

Daniel Rienzo, a New York landlord, is an enthusiastic bidder. "It's pennies on the dollar," said Mr. Rienzo, 47. "Right now, I'm bidding on another go-cart. My house in the Hamptons has private roads, so I can use go-carts. I want three or four of them."

The origin of the property is unknown to the buyer and the auctioneer. The site lists seized and found items, as well as evidence no longer needed at a trial. Any claimed stolen property has already been returned to its rightful owner; only unclaimed items are for sale. And anyone who can prove ownership of an item shown online gets it back free.

Last year, for example, a musician got out of a taxi in Manhattan that sped off before he could grab his guitar from the trunk. He said he thought it was gone for good until a friend spotted it on the site. Musician and guitar were reunited when he called the company and gave his Social Security number, which was written on the inside of the guitar.

The variety of items on the site is dizzying. A sword and sheath, a scope with a red laser, a tote bag from the Metropolitan Museum of Art. A set of nine pairs of socks, eight cellphones, nine 45-r.p.m. records.

"I always wonder where it came from," said Walid Halabi, a handbag designer who lives on the Upper West Side of Manhattan and who pores over the short descriptions of new items on the site. "I read it and assume the rest of it."

He ticked off the items he has successfully bid on recently: a suitcase, a $50 electric range, a refrigerator with an ice dispenser, a Bell & Howell projector. "It's a beautiful film projector, an old one, for $22," Mr. Halabi said. "Maybe one day I'll find one of these old films and project it."

The Property Room was founded under the name stealitback.com, which still works as a link to the auction site, whose inventory has been given a shot in the arm with the items from New York. "New York is a daily pickup," said Thomas Fegan, the company's vice president. "New York will be huge. They will surpass the rest of the country, easily. The police make out because we clear out their property room. The public makes out because they can bid on this stuff. The taxpayers make out because the money goes back to the area. And we make out."

Inspector Jack Trabitz of the Police Department's property clerk division said the company relieved cramped storerooms, made space for the "never-ending influx of new property" and increased the chances of a sale. "Nobody was going to come from California to my auction to buy three T-shirts," he said.

Mr. Rienzo, the landlord, said he spent about $2,000 a month on the site. "I have kids. I'm buying clothes for kids. It's all brand new," he said. "I buy Levi's at the store, I'll pay $60. I've gotten them there for $15."

The jeans notwithstanding, it is hard to tell how much Mr. Rienzo is really saving, because he is buying things he might not have bought if he had not seen them online. As the saying goes, he could fill a room with the money he is saving, except the room is already filled with stuff he has bought.

"I'm one of their best customers, I believe," Mr. Rienzo said. "I just bought a kayak."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: buystolenproperty; nypd; shopping; stolenproperty
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1 posted on 01/04/2004 6:08:06 AM PST by RJCogburn
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To: RJCogburn
This sounds like great shopping fun!
2 posted on 01/04/2004 6:11:22 AM PST by secret garden (Go Titans!)
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3 posted on 01/04/2004 6:11:24 AM PST by Support Free Republic (Happy New Year)
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To: RJCogburn
propertyroom
LOL ... "Calvin Klein Bra And Panties - Size 36C And Large "
Hope they're unworn.

4 posted on 01/04/2004 6:20:18 AM PST by GirlShortstop
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To: RJCogburn
Careful with buying stuff that you don't really need. You wouldn't want to wind up like these folks. :)

So Much Clutter, So Little Room: Examining the Roots of Hoarding

5 posted on 01/04/2004 6:28:50 AM PST by csvset
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To: RJCogburn
I notice that people often bump their own bid, even when they are the high bidder. Is there a particular reason for that?

For example, in this auction, Rideforlife07 bumped his own bid three times, even though he had the high bid at the time.

6 posted on 01/04/2004 6:31:08 AM PST by monkey
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To: RJCogburn
ping
7 posted on 01/04/2004 6:31:55 AM PST by Cacique
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To: RJCogburn
It must be OK for the police, and this on-line auction house, to traffic in stolen goods.

If my garage is overfilled with stuff and I decide to have a sale, then sell ONE item that turns out to have be stolen, I can be indicted for that. But the police department, and their chosen sales outlet, doing essentially the same thing? Nah, never mind.

8 posted on 01/04/2004 6:39:11 AM PST by savedbygrace
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To: csvset
I would not want it ,its like buying somebodys grief,I would bet that almost all that stuff was seized by the police .
9 posted on 01/04/2004 6:40:52 AM PST by douglas1 (i)
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To: RJCogburn
Sorry, the dollhouse made me cringe.
Some little girl lost her prized possessions because of the sins of her parent.
That is so sad.
10 posted on 01/04/2004 7:07:15 AM PST by netmilsmom (RE: Bad relatives, "Her presence is like pee on a hot rock! " - Conspiracy Guy)
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To: monkey
Might be a live auction--e.g., combined Ebay-style Internet auction and real-life, real-person auction. Lots of real-life auction galleries are employing these live auctions now. Seeing a person bid against himself is common in live auctions--the person is actually bidding against a "live", non-Internet auction bidder.
11 posted on 01/04/2004 7:11:00 AM PST by Nataku X (A six foot man is six feet tall. A six feet man is a six footed freak.)
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To: douglas1
Beside that, I looked at a computer that has a bid of nearly $600 and:

it sells new for around $1400
parts are missing that may cost a couple hundred more
no software or support (major portion of 'new' price)

I guess it just depends on what you need and what it's going to be used for.
12 posted on 01/04/2004 7:25:03 AM PST by easonc52
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To: RJCogburn
What a neat site!

Thanks!

Tia

13 posted on 01/04/2004 7:26:23 AM PST by tiamat ("Just a Bronze-Age Gal, Trapped in a Techno World!")
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To: netmilsmom
What dollhouse?
14 posted on 01/04/2004 7:34:59 AM PST by 4mycountry (If you're reading this tagline you have way too much time on your hands.)
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To: 4mycountry
It's under "Toys and Games". I had no problem with the collectable Barbies. Adults collect those.
Also, there are many clothes that are baby sizes as well.
Isn't it just horrible?
15 posted on 01/04/2004 7:37:20 AM PST by netmilsmom (RE: Bad relatives, "Her presence is like pee on a hot rock! " - Conspiracy Guy)
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To: RJCogburn
Do they check these items to make sure they don't have dope hidden in them before selling?

I would be leery of buying a sofa, stereo, or anything that could have something hidden in it, from them unless it had been checked by a good drug dog first.

Just suppose that you bought a lazyboy in which a pound of cocaine had been hidden. Next, due to a warrant error, a drug dog searches your home.

Just TRY to prove it ain't your dope.

16 posted on 01/04/2004 7:37:28 AM PST by LibKill ("Two crossed, dead, Frenchmen emblazoned on a mound of dead Frenchmen.")
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To: monkey
I notice that people often bump their own bid, even when they are the high bidder.

one is almost forced to conclude that someone is rigging the auction...

17 posted on 01/04/2004 7:38:32 AM PST by the invisib1e hand (do not remove this tag under penalty of law.)
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To: netmilsmom
Oh, you mean on the website.

I read that article 5 times over, looking for a mention of a dollhouse. ^^;
18 posted on 01/04/2004 7:57:27 AM PST by 4mycountry (If you're reading this tagline you have way too much time on your hands.)
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To: monkey
If you look closer, rideforlife07 was really NOT bumping their own bid. Tututu1, the bidder directly above rideforlife07, placed a maximum bid of $250.00 at 2003-12-31 at 18:37:02. I assume this site works like ebay, where bidders can place proxy bids that are higher than what is required to be the high bidder, so when tututu1 placed a proxy bid of $250, their official bid was really $161.01, because they only had to beat mgmny, the previous high bidder who had bid a maximum of $151.01. Then along came rideforlife, starting about 20 minutes later at 18:57:25, who put in 4 successive bids, bumping up the high bid of tututu1. Rideforlife tried four times to take the lead from tututu1, but was never the high bidder, and gave up at $210.
19 posted on 01/04/2004 8:13:25 AM PST by RedWhiteBlue
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To: RJCogburn
I'll have to PING the better half on this site-NOT!
20 posted on 01/04/2004 8:15:28 AM PST by putupon (Does "undocumented" just mean you don't have enough green to purchase a card?)
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