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SOROS ALERT Soros 'speculating against dollar'
THE INDEPENDENT UK ^ | 28 November 2003 | Philip Thornton and Michael Jivkov

Posted on 11/28/2003 5:03:57 AM PST by Liz

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To: Vision Thing
1. He can find no bargains among American-based companies. As a result, he has given up on purchasing them. If he can destroy the American economy, he will be able to purchase some of those American companies at a lower price.

If he destroys the American economy why would he then want to invest in it. You equate the stock market falling with destruction of the economy. But they are not necessarily related.

2. He is a buy-and-hold investor, so he can withstand any value reductions in his current holdings, which may happen as a result of reason 1 above.

If he destroys the American economy, his holdings will be more or less worthless.

What you are assuming is that selling dollar futures (that is how you sell short dollars) is going somehow to destroy the economy. But if you know about it they have already assumed their positions and are merely waiting for the dollar to drop so that they can by it back. Selling might have caused the dollar to decline, if Soros represented a significant fraction of trading in the dollar - which he does not - but having sold, and holding a short position cannot cause the collapse of the American economy.

61 posted on 11/28/2003 5:30:59 PM PST by AndyJackson
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To: the invisib1e hand
Check this out- enter Soros in box, chose his book The Alchemy of Finance and hear his ego........................................http://www.audible.com/adbl/store/welcome.jsp
62 posted on 11/28/2003 5:41:50 PM PST by Helms (The Di-tech Guy and E-loan Girl are to Wed in Hell)
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To: edsheppa
You make no sense. A cheaper dollar will increase investment in the US.

If foreign investors thing the value of the dollar is going to continue to drop, they will wait until they think it's near bottom. In other words, they will invest elsewhere for now.
63 posted on 11/28/2003 7:03:16 PM PST by adam_az (.)
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To: MainFrame65
We still have quite a bit in reserve

Not silver, at all, the Feds buy it on the open market to mint Eagles now...

64 posted on 11/28/2003 7:40:25 PM PST by Axenolith (<TAG>)
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To: Liz
Good old George $oreA$$.

He tried to bust the $ with the Euro before and during the first part of the Iraqi war.

So now he is using the pound. If this backfires, the pound might get hurt.

Notice how not a single Rat candidate for president has condemned George SoreA$$ for these actions.

Buffet is another super rich member of the lunatic left's most evil and vile group.

Notice how ABCNNBCBS anchors haven't pointed out what George $oreA$$/Buffet is trying to do to America?

Notice how the NY Slime, LA Slimes, Washington Compost or USSAR today have condemned these vile actions of George $oreA$$/Buffet?
65 posted on 11/29/2003 6:42:09 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Sore@US, the Evil Daddy War bucks, has owned the Demonic Rats for decades!)
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To: Liz

Unintented consquences department

driving the dollar down will stimulate the sales of American products here and abroad, including travel HERE......thanks guys....in 6 months the US economy already the strongest in the world, will be screaming and the dollar will rise......buy'em now folks, while these fools are selling short, at a loss......
66 posted on 11/29/2003 6:48:35 AM PST by The Wizard (Saddamocrats are enemies of America, treasonous everytime they speak)
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To: Liz
One of the easiest way people can hit back at Buffet is to cancel their auto insurance with Geico and stop buying any Fruit of the Loom products.

Just don't buy Progressive Insurance. Their CEO/main owner is in bed with $oreA$$, Buffet and ? fill the blank with your favorite super rich Lunatic evil lib.
67 posted on 11/29/2003 6:52:22 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Sore@US, the Evil Daddy War bucks, has owned the Demonic Rats for decades!)
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To: Axenolith
"... Not silver, at all, the Feds buy it on the open market to mint Eagles now... ..."

Thanks for the info, I didn't know that. I thought they were still selling bags of coins (at a handsome profit versus the denomination).
68 posted on 11/29/2003 7:44:08 AM PST by MainFrame65
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To: AndyJackson
If he destroys the American economy why would he then want to invest in it. For the bargains that will result from the destruction. Buffett did not become a multi-billionaire from buying high and selling low. He doesn't buy fully valued companies, which is all he sees around him in the market today. Instead, he buys deeply discounted companies, which are currently not available. After the destruction happens, he can begin talking up the economy. This will raise the values of his current and newly acquired holdings. If he destroys the American economy, his holdings will be more or less worthless. I neglected to say that Buffett would destroy the American economy temporarily. During this temporary destruction, his holdings may or may not suffer. Buffett buys companies at deep discounts, so any value decline in his current holdings rarely ever return to levels at which he bought them.
69 posted on 11/29/2003 9:36:06 AM PST by Vision Thing
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To: Vision Thing
I neglected to say that Buffett would destroy the American economy temporarily

This is paranoid BS. You may not like the politics of Soros or Buffett. Fine. I disagree with a lot that they say too. But that does not mean that their sense of economics or business is anything other than sound.

What does it mean to destroy an economy "temporarily?" What? It if can recover in any reasonable timeframe, it is not destroyed. It takes a healthy economy (skilled worforce, infrastructure and capital base) to make a healthy economy.

The problem that you and so many others have is that you have a choice of demonizing a couple of folks who, however wealthy, do not have any significant impact on the U.S. economy ($10B in illiquid book value is negligible compared to $10 Trillion in liquid trade flows). The other choice is to understand that there are a lot of structural issues that have the U.S. in an economic hole it cannot get out of without hard work and reform - i.e. the debt burden, environmental and commercial regulation, an out of control tort industry, an education system that is not up to the standards of our best competitors, and so forth. The trouble with blaming your ills on Soros is that you let all of the liberal politicians and their burrowed in bureaucrats off the hook. I am surprised that anyone here falls for the swindle - but they do.

It is wonderful to think that the economy was "bad" under Clinton, and suddenly became "good" under Bush. But whatever you think about Bush's qualities as President, the pubbies have done little to nothing to reverse the structural problems of many years of liberalism.

70 posted on 11/29/2003 10:25:33 AM PST by AndyJackson
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To: seamole
trader alert: get his money, he's trading with his emotions
71 posted on 11/29/2003 10:30:16 AM PST by alrea
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To: adam_az
In other words, they will invest elsewhere for now.

True, but ... First, these currency swings are usually pretty quick - a matter of months. Second, right now and for some time these investors' cash won't be missed - we're just starting to work out of the overinvestment of the '90s.

72 posted on 11/29/2003 10:57:54 AM PST by edsheppa
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To: AndyJackson
This is paranoid BS. You may not like the politics of Soros or Buffett...

Now, now, no need to get emotional. Take a deep breath now. Feel better? Good. Now, let's return to what I have said.

If you read what I wrote, I never criticized the politics of Soros or Buffett. Nothing in my statements even comes close to touching their politics. Neither did I demonize them. In fact, Buffett is a personal hero of mine.

I only provided a couple of speculative reasons to your original question: "Why would Buffett want to destroy the American economy..."

That's all I gave to you: Unemotional, speculative reasons.

73 posted on 11/29/2003 2:04:58 PM PST by Vision Thing
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To: MainFrame65
The bags of circulated, pre-1964, 90% silver coinage are on the private market. There's approximately 715 ounces of silver per $1000 face value. They're going for $3796 on Colorado Gold last I checked...
74 posted on 11/29/2003 6:07:09 PM PST by Axenolith (<TAG>)
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To: the invisib1e hand
keep selling, soros. 'cause when you have to cover, I'm going to be very long.

I hear you but...with the personal and national debt burying families and our economy alive...

the debt is the thing. I have never been so badly off, and I'm not alone. Has our economy ever been able to spend our way out of an economic crisis starting from such a deep debt as we have today?

Soros may win this one.

75 posted on 11/29/2003 6:22:01 PM PST by joyful1
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To: joyful1
Soros may win this one.

The debt is high. But so is the GDP; so are our national assets. It is not in the best interest of the holders of our 7 tril in debt, much of which is in foreign hands, to destroy the currency in which their assets are held.

The practice of 'talking up' one's position is a sign of arrogance and/or weakness; both are banana peels.

One collateral result may be the regulation of the Forex Market; Soros may be held liable for violating practices that are illegal on exchanges worldwide.

I think it would be very a patriotic effort for each of us to get his house in order.

Soro's little crusade will backfire; and the man himself may very well overdue for a little tough love.

76 posted on 11/29/2003 6:55:38 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (do not remove this tag under penalty of law.)
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To: seamole
Soros is 74 and a good bet to die within a few years, which would be a wonderful boon to mankind. He is a duplicitous son-of-a -bitch who rewards America for saving him and the other european cur by attacking us. To hell with Herr Soros, and the sooner the better.
77 posted on 11/29/2003 7:08:18 PM PST by mathurine
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To: The Wizard
Unintented consquences department

driving the dollar down will stimulate the sales of American products here and abroad, including travel HERE......thanks guys....in 6 months the US economy already the strongest in the world, will be screaming and the dollar will rise......buy'em now folks, while these fools are selling short, at a loss......

this is true. also, foreign investment is to be considered. money always goes to work where it the highest return is expected. EU business is not a model of efficiency. foreign direct investment in us telecommunications, incidentally, has been growing.

78 posted on 11/29/2003 7:25:08 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (do not remove this tag under penalty of law.)
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To: Axenolith
You are no fun to argue with, you keep using facts!
79 posted on 11/30/2003 10:45:16 AM PST by MainFrame65
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To: Cicero
Soros will actively manipulate the situation and try to make it worse, as he did when he broke the pound. But even Soros doesn't have enough money to buck the trend. It's Greenspan who has set this up.

I find it interesting that so many are outraged at Soros and Buffett. All they are doing is helping Greenspan dig his hole a little faster. Both Soros and Buffett realized early that Greenspan's answer to every problem it to throw more money at it, so they bought tons and tons of silver along with Bill Gates by the way. Now, both Greenspan and the administration are actively debasing the US currency and making all three even wealthier than they were. Nothing wrong with that. Just smart investing by betting on the moronic fiscal and monetary moves of a desperate FED and Treasury Dept.

Richard W.

80 posted on 11/30/2003 11:08:21 AM PST by arete (Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.)
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