Bush says Muslims and Christians Worship Same God

CNN | 11/20/03

[Nita Nupress]

President Bush said that Christians and Muslims worship the same God!!!!

(...gasp!...)What did Bush know and when did he know it? IMPEACH! IMPEACH!

;-)

[milan]

That is why we find good people in all religions.

Are you a religous person?

Romans 3:12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

[samtheman]

Actually, it would make a difference. If 13 and menstruating, it wouldn't be all that out-of-line with the standards of the day in many parts of the world. But I heard differently. That she was definitely a pre-pubescent child. Maybe I've got the numbers wrong. Married at nine, raped at eleven. Whatever it was, the guy was a pedophile. You don't base a religion on pedophilia. Not without consequences.

[milan]

Islam is a cult and false religion. For President Bush to make a statement as this is a slap in the face to many citizens of the respective states who are Christian

BINGO! Give that man a prize!!

[milan]

The arguement I got was from a Muslim, so take it with a grain of salt.

[truthandlife]

Christianity and Islam differ significantly in their core beliefs.

Among the key differences:

GOD

Historical Christianity: There is one true and living God, who exists as three distinct, co-equal, co-eternal persons: Father, Son and Holy Spirit (Deut. 6:4; John 20:28; Acts 5:3-4; 2 Cor. 13:14; 1 Peter 1:2).

Islam: The one true God is a being called Allah. He is a distant god, unknowable and unapproachable. He does not love all people, only those who do well. He is the author of evil as well as good since he predestines all things. He is not a triune god.

JESUS

Christianity: He is the virgin-born Son of God, conceived by the Holy Spirit (Isa. 7:14; Matt. 1:13-23; Luke 1:35). He is the eternal God, the Creator, co-equal and co-eternal with the Father and Holy Spirit (John 1:1-14; Col. 1:15-20; Phil. 2:5-11; Heb. 1:1-13). Jesus died for our sins (1 Cor. 15:3), rose physically from the dead (Matt. 12:38-40; Rom. 1:4; 1 Cor. 15:4-8; 1 Peter 1:18-21) and is coming back physically and visibly one day (Matt. 24:29-31; John 14:3; Titus 2:13; Rev. 19:11-14).

Islam: He is one of God's prophets or messengers, but inferior to Muhammad, who brought Allah's final revelations to man. The Koran denies that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, and any Muslim who believes in the deity of Jesus has committed "the one unforgivable sin" called shirk -- a sin that will send that person to hell. Muslims do believe Jesus is the Messiah; was born of a virgin; lived a sinless life; and is coming back one day to establish Islam throughout the earth. They do not believe He died on the cross, but was called to heaven by Allah.

SALVATION

Christianity: Christ's death at Calvary completely paid our sin debt so that salvation comes by grace alone through faith in the person and work of Jesus (John 3:16, 5:24; Rom. 4:4-5; 1 Cor. 15:1-4; Eph. 2:8-9; Titus 3:5; 1 John 1:7).

Islam: The Koran teaches, "The true religion with God is Islam." This means salvation is achieved only through submission to the teachings of Islam. Forgiveness is based on good works and Allah's choice of mercy. The Muslim's chances for heaven are good if he 1) accepts the Muslim god Allah and his apostle Mohammad; 2) does good works and all that is required of him by Allah; and 3) is predestined to Allah's favor.

THE BIBLE

Christianity: The Bible is the inerrant, infallible, inspired Word of God, and is His sole written authority for all people (2 Tim. 3:16-17; 2 Peter 1:20-21).

Islam: Corrupted and untrustworthy. Islam claims the Koran is the literal Word of God, received supernaturally by Muhammad from the angel Gabriel. It supersedes the Bible, which also was given by Allah.

SIN

Christianity: Violation of God's perfect and holy standards. All humans are sinners (Rom. 3:10) and are under the curse of sin -- spiritual and physical death (Gen. 2:17, 3:17-19; Rom. 3:23). Only faith in Christ and His work on our behalf frees us from sin and its consequences (John 3:16, 5:24; Eph. 2:8-9).

Islam: Sin is lack of obedience to Allah. Man is sinful by act only, not by nature. Original sin is viewed as a "lapse" by Adam. Man is not really "fallen" in his sin nature; he is merely weak and forgetful. The most serious sin is that of shirk, or considering God as more than one, for example, as triune.

HEAVEN AND HELL

Christianity: Hell is a place of everlasting conscious existence, where the unbeliever is forever separated from God (Matt. 25:46; Luke 16:19-31; Rev. 14:9-11, 20:10). As for heaven, all believers have God's promise of a home in heaven, will go there instantly upon physical death, and will return with Christ from heaven to earth one day (Luke 16:19-31; John 14:1-3; 2 Cor. 5:8; Rev. 19:11-16).

Islam: Muslims believe in heaven and hell. Allah predetermines the eternal destiny of each person, and the hope of salvation for the Muslim is based on works, although no Muslim has the absolute assurance of heaven. Islam teaches its followers to prepare for the day of judgment in which each person's good and evil works will be measured, resulting in everlasting life in heaven or in hell.

[Miss Marple]

Thank you for an excellent explanation. Of course, the critics will pile onto this statement by the president, because the question was set up to be divisive. Either the president answered as he did, OR he had to say that we didn't believe in the same God.

If he had taken the latter approach, the implication to Muslims would be that the president was saying they had a false God, which would have caused severe problems in the Muslims world.

[pcx99]

I would like to see how worship of a 3000 year old dead moon god is the worship of God Almighty. My God does not advocate rape of 6 year olds. My God sent his only begotten Son to die on the cross for my sins and who rose from the dead three days later.

Your god advocated the sacrifice of a man's son upon an alter, allowed the death of Able, committed genocide to clense the world, advocated slavery, domination of women, and a host of politically incorrect attrocities in the old testiment which were subsequently mollified in the new. This is the God of the Jews and the Muslems as well. The old tesitment is what the Jews, Christians and Muslims all share, it's the root of all the religions and thus the same God.

Islam is a cult and false religion. For President Bush to make a statement as this is a slap in the face to many citizens of the respective states who are Christian.

Islam may very well be a cult and false religion, for that matter so may christianity. But because they all have the old-testiment at their core (and islam has a form of the new testment incorporated since they see Jesus as another prophet) they, by all definition, worship the same exact god. Merely seen through different eyes.

[pollywog]

Please pray for President Bush's understanding of Islam and Christianity. This could do in his whole Presidency.

This really disturbs me. I believe that Christianity is on the chopping block right now.Reminds me of the " show down" on Mt. Carmel. God almighty, THE ONLY TRUE God will show himself and His power. Praying that Bush realizes that The evangelical Christians are who gave him the election in 2000!!

[samtheman]

Well, I definitely heard little girl. Well below the age of mensturation. I'm going to look it up.

[BikerNYC]

How many Gods are there, anyway?

How many would you like?

[Stop Legal Plunder]

The Almighty is the Almighty.

Of course, but that's not the issue. The issue is: Is Allah the Almighty?

I actually think [Bush] is right.

I've read both the Bible and the Koran, and there's no way that Christians and Muslims worship the same God.

[milan]

They say we worship a false God!!! They say Jesus is not God at all. So who gives a crap what they believe? Who cares if we offend them? You? I don't.

[Aerohawk]

Bottom line(sarcasm) - Everybody knows we all worship the same God, we might as well just have one whole world religion.

Everybody knows we all want to live in peace, might as well just have one whole world government.

People say it will never happen, but statements like this from the President of the United States show how easily it can.

[milan]

which would have caused severe problems in the Muslims world.

Maybe you haven't been watching the news the PAST 30 YEARS!

[truthandlife]

Look at #26 and let me know what you disagree with.

[Prodigal Son]

Hmmm. A different way to phrase the question would be to ask: Do Jews and Moslems worship the same God?

[chicagolady]

Negative,
They love the God revealed by Satan!

[LadyDoc]

Hmmm. Am I religious person?

According to my husband's fundamentalist relatives, I'm not...I am going to hell...because I worship in the wrong church...

The fact that I have risked life and limb as a missionary, and the fact that my husband prays daily and worked for 30 years in a poor coal mining town instead of as a rich city doctor doesn't matter: we are going to hell...

as for quoting a line of the bible out of context:
You might try reading the gospels.

John 10:16 Jesus says he has other sheep who are not in his sheep pen...

most people think this means people outside the church who nevertheless seek to follow God's will as best they can, but through ignorance have never heard the gospel. At death, they will see Jesus, and recognize he is who they sought...

Second, in Matthew 25: 32, at the last judgement, many who did not know Jesus will be welcomed into heaven, because their deeds showed they belonged to him.

Finally, Matt 7:21 says not everyone who says Lord lord will enter heaven, only those who do the will of God...

we are saved by grace, but our actions prove whether we have responded to this grace by saying yes and following Jesus...

[PhilipFreneau]

>> Islam may very well be a cult and false religion, for that matter so may christianity. But because they all have the old-testiment at their core (and islam has a form of the new testment incorporated since they see Jesus as another prophet) they, by all definition, worship the same exact god. Merely seen through different eyes.

Moral relativistic rubbish.