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Bush says Muslims and Christians Worship Same God
CNN | 11/20/03

Posted on 11/20/2003 4:54:20 AM PST by truthandlife

I was watching the Tony Blair and President Bush press conference and an American reporter asked a question on the lines of do you believe Muslims and Christians worship the same God.

President Bush said that Christians and Muslims worship the same God!!!!


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To: truthandlife
Yeah I can't figure out where he gets that idea. ergh. Neither Muslims nor Christians, nor Jews, believe that.
281 posted on 11/20/2003 7:46:53 AM PST by Terriergal (Psalm 11: 3 "When the foundations are being destroyed, what can the righteous do?")
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To: truthandlife; Salem; SJackson; Geist Krieger; JohnHuang2; yonif
"President Bush said that Christians and Muslims worship the same God!!!!"

Whoops! (REALLY, REALLY BIG ONE). . .

WHO in the world is advising Dubya on this? WHY is he saying such INCREDIBLE thing!?

WHAT'S next - CAIR president gets appointed head of HOME DEFENSE?

Man!!!

WND Exclusive


FROM JOSEPH FARAH'S G2 BULLETIN
Radical Islam's 'plan'
to take over America

Arab-American author outlines secret
20-year strategy to undermine country


Posted: August 4, 2003
1:00 a.m. Eastern

Editor's note: Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin is an online, subscription intelligence news service from the creator of WorldNetDaily.com - a journalist who has been developing sources around the world for the last 25 years.


© 2003 WorldNetDaily.com

A refugee from the Muslim Middle East thinks he has discovered Islam's 20-point plan for conquering the United States by 2020 - a plan revealed in the latest issue of Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin.

Anis Shorrosh, author of ''Islam Revealed'' and ''The True Furqan,'' is a Christian Arab-American who emigrated from Arab-controlled Jerusalem in January 1967.

''The following is my analysis of Islamic invasion of America, the agenda of Islamists and visible methods to take over America by the year 2020,'' Shorrosh says. ''Will Americans continue to sleep through this invasion as they did when we were attacked on 9/11?''

1. Terminate America's freedom of speech by replacing it with statewide and nationwide hate-crime bills.

2. Wage a war of words using black leaders like Louis Farrakhan, Rev. Jesse Jackson and other visible religious personalities who promote Islam as the religion of African-Americans while insisting Christianity is for whites only. What they fail to tell African-Americans is that it was Arab Muslims who captured them and sold them as slaves. In fact, the Arabic word for black and slave is the same, ''Abed.''

3. Engage the American public in dialogues, discussions, debates in colleges, universities, public libraries, radio, TV, churches and mosques on the virtues of Islam. Proclaim how it is historically another religion like Judaism and Christianity with the same monotheistic faith.

4. Nominate Muslim sympathizers to political office to bring about favorable legislation toward Islam and support potential sympathizers by block voting.

5. Take control of as much of Hollywood, the press, TV, radio and the Internet as possible by buying the related corporations or a controlling stock.

6. Yield to the fear of the imminent shut-off of the lifeblood of America - black gold. America's economy depends on oil and 41 percent of it comes from the Middle East.

7. Yell ''foul, out-of-context, personal interpretation, hate crime, Zionist, un- American, inaccurate interpretation of the Quran'' anytime Islam is criticized or the Quran is analyzed in the public arena.

8. Encourage Muslims to penetrate the White House, specifically with Islamists who can articulate a marvelous and peaceful picture of Islam. Acquire government positions and get membership in local school boards. Train Muslims as medical doctors to dominate the medical field, research and pharmaceutical companies. (Ever notice how numerous Muslim doctors in America are, when their countries need them more desperately than America?) Take over the computer industry. Establish Middle Eastern restaurants throughout the U.S. to connect planners of Islamization in a discreet way.

9. Accelerate Islamic demographic growth via:

10. Reading, writing, arithmetic and research through the American educational system, mosques and student centers (now 1,500) should be sprinkled with dislike of Jews, evangelical Christians and democracy. There are currently 300 exclusively Muslim schools in the U.S. which teach loyalty to the Quran, not the U.S. Constitution. In January of 2002, Saudi Arabia's Embassy in Washington mailed 4,500 packets of the Quran and videos promoting Islam to America's high schools - free of charge. Saudi Arabia would not allow the U.S. to reciprocate.

11. Provide very sizeable monetary Muslim grants to colleges and universities in America to establish ''Centers for Islamic studies'' with Muslim directors to promote Islam in higher-education institutions.

12. Let the entire world know through propaganda, speeches, seminars, local and national media that terrorists have hijacked Islam, when in truth, Islam hijacked the terrorists.

13. Appeal to the historically compassionate and sensitive Americans for sympathy and tolerance towards Muslims in America who are portrayed as mainly immigrants from oppressed countries.

14. Nullify America's sense of security by manipulating the intelligence community with misinformation. Periodically terrorize Americans with reports of impending attacks on bridges, tunnels, water supplies, airports, apartment buildings and malls.

15. Form riots and demonstrations in the prison system demanding Islamic Sharia as the way of life, not America's justice system.

16. Open numerous charities throughout the U.S., but use the funds to support Islamic terrorism with American dollars.

17. Raise interest in Islam on America's campuses by insisting freshman take at least one course on Islam.

18. Unify the numerous Muslim lobbies in Washington, mosques, Islamic student centers, educational organizations, magazines and papers by Internet and an annual convention to coordinate plans, propagate the faith and engender news in the media.

19. Send intimidating messages and messengers to the outspoken individuals who are critical of Islam and seek to eliminate them by hook or crook.

20. Applaud Muslims as loyal citizens of the U.S. by spotlighting their voting record as the highest percentage of all minority and ethic groups in America.

Shorrosh is a member of the Oxford Society of Scholars, has traveled in 76 countries, and is a lecturer and producer of TV documentaries. ''Islam Revealed'' is a bestseller now in its eighth printing. His forthcoming 10th book, from which the 20-point plan is abridged, is titled ''Islam: A Threat or a Challenge.''

''The True Furqan'' is also available for viewing on Islam-Exposed.org. Shorrosh's new website is Focusing-on-Islam.com.

The Truth About Islam

Observations by Dr. David R. Reagan

 

Ever since the Attack on America on September 11, 2001, we have heard a never-ending chorus of voices from government, academia, and the media assuring us that the Islamic terrorists who attacked the Trade Towers and the Pentagon are not repre­sentative of "true Islam." We have been likewise assured by spiritual leaders - even some Christian spokesmen - that Islam is a religion of peace, and that Muslims worship the same God as Christians and Jews.

"Our war is not against Islam," we have been told repeatedly. "Our war is against terrorism."

Central Questions

Well, what about it?

The Intolerant and Militant Nature of Islam

One of the most controversial issues regarding Islam concerns whether or not it is a militant religion. Muslims in the West argue it is peace-loving. Westerners who have experienced it in the Muslim world argue it is inherently in­tolerant and militant.

The Koran itself preaches intolerance toward other religions. Sura 5 contains the following command: "Take not Jews and Christians for friends . . . He among you who takes them for friends is one of them . . . Choose not for friends such of those who received the Scripture before you [Jews and Christians] . .  But keep your duty to Allah" (verses 51, 55, 57). Extreme intolerance is commanded in Sura 5:33 - "[For those who do not submit to Allah] their punishment is . . . execution or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet, from the opposite sides, or exile from the land."

The Koran also expresses an intolerant attitude toward any person who decides to reject the Islamic faith or convert to another religion. Such persons are to be executed (Sura 9:12). In the Hadith (the oral tradition of Muhammad's sayings) it says "Whoever changes his religion, kill him" (Hadith 9:57). These commands are practiced in all Islamic Fundamentalist countries today.

With regard to militancy, the Koran not only condones it, it commands it:

Fighting is prescribed for you, and [some of] you dislike it. But it is possible that you dislike a thing which is good for you, and that you love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knows, and you know not (Sura 2:16).

Fight and slay the pagans wherever you find them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem of war (Sura 9:5).

Fight in the way of Allah . . . and slay them [the unbelievers] wherever you find them and drive them out . . . and fight them until . . . religion is for Allah (Sura 2:190-193).

Muhammad is quoted in the Hadith as saying, "The sword is the key of heaven and hell. A drop of blood in the cause of Allah - a night spent in arms [war] - is of more avail than two months of fasting and prayer. Whosoever falls in battle, his sins are forgiven, and at the day of judgment, his limbs shall be supplied by the wings of angels and cherubim."12

The Imperialistic Nature of Islam

From its inception, Islam has been committed to what it calls jihad - a word mean­ing holy war. The duty of Muslims is to subjugate or destroy "infidels" - the term the Koran uses for all non-believers.

In the Muslim viewpoint, the world is divided into two regions - those areas controlled by Islam, called Dar al-Islam (meaning the House of Islam) and those called Dar al-Harb (the House of War). The Koran commands Mus­lims to fight non-Muslims until they exterminate all other religions, leaving Islam as the one and only religion in the world (Suras 2:193 and 8:39). Muhammad is quoted in the Hadith as saying, "I have been ordered to fight with the people until they say, none has the right to be worshiped but Allah" (Hadith 4:196).

Regarding terror, Allah orders Muslims to terrorize non-Muslims on his behalf: "Strike terror (into the hearts of ) the enemies of Allah and your enemies" (Sura 8:60). Allah then assures his followers that he will assist them: "I will instill terror into the hearts of unbelievers. Smite them above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them. It is not you who slay them, it is Allah" (Sura 8:12, 17).

Concerning jihad,14 the Koran guarantees Paradise to those who fight for Allah (Sura 4:74). It promises instant Paradise for those who die in battle (Suras 9:111 and 47:5-6). Dying for Allah is presented as better than living: "And if you are killed or die in the Way of Allah, forgiveness and mercy from Allah are far better than all that others may amass [of worldly wealth]" (Sura 3:157).

Martyrs are promised a sensual and luxurious life in Paradise (Sura 52:17-22). According to Al-Ghazzali, one of Islam's greatest teachers, when a martyr reaches Paradise, he "will marry 500 companions, 4,000 virgins, and 8,000 divorced women."15 Commenting on this statement, Randall Price, biblical teacher and Middle East expert, observed that the Islamic Paradise is "just the kind of place that adolescent, unmarried men, isolated through their lives from the opposite sex by rigid cultural standards, would die for."16

Fundamentalist Goals

The Ayatollah Khomeini of Iran was the modern day Islamic spokesman who revived Muhammad's vision of world con­quest. He taught that the re-establishment of Israel was a Satanic miracle allowed by Allah because of the lukewarmness of the Muslim masses. He called for a renewal of true Islam to accomplish three purposes:19

  1. To overthrow the "secular" rulers of Islamic countries (like Algeria, Morocco, Tunisia, and Egypt), just as he had done in Iran.

  2. To take back the land of Palestine for Allah, exterminating Israel in the process.

  3. To conquer the rest of the world for Allah.

Notice the first priority was the transformation of secular Islamic countries into religious states ruled by the Koran. Then would come Israel and the world.

In a proclamation made by Osama bin Laden in 1998, he listed the same goals and prioritized them in the same order.20 He then identified the United States as the prime obstacle to the achievement of these goals. Accordingly, he called on Muslims everywhere "to comply with Allah's order to kill the Americans and plunder their money wherever and whenever they find it."

It is important to note that the eradication of Israel is not the top priority. Nor is Israel viewed as the major obstacle to world conquest. I emphasize this because many Americans are saying that the key to winning the war against terrorism is to dump Israel. More and more, on radio talk shows, I hear people saying, "Let's cut Israel loose. Let the Arabs have it. Then they will leave us alone."

That is utter nonsense. Israel is not the cause of Islamic terrorism toward the West. If Israel were to disappear tomorrow, Fundamentalist Islam would still be determined to destroy America as part of its plan to take the world for Allah. And if we were to abandon Israel, the Muslim world would interpret it as an act of cowardice, proving our word is meaningless and that we truly are, as they say, "a depraved society devoid of values." Our abandonment of Israel would only whet their appetite. Islamic Fundamentalism cannot be appeased. It must be de­feated.




282 posted on 11/20/2003 7:47:06 AM PST by Happy2BMe (2004 - Who WILL the TERRORISTS vote for? - - Not George W. Bush, THAT'S for sure!)
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To: AmericanMade1776; truthandlife
I pray that you have some understanding.

What the heck was that about?

283 posted on 11/20/2003 7:47:54 AM PST by Terriergal (Psalm 11: 3 "When the foundations are being destroyed, what can the righteous do?")
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To: mylife
regardless of our differences...there is only one God.

Agreed. And he is not Allah.

284 posted on 11/20/2003 7:48:32 AM PST by Terriergal (Psalm 11: 3 "When the foundations are being destroyed, what can the righteous do?")
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To: Miss Marple; milan; Salem; Geist Krieger; yonif; SJackson
"I am not a Christian either."

Miss Marple - do you worship Allah?

285 posted on 11/20/2003 7:49:01 AM PST by Happy2BMe (2004 - Who WILL the TERRORISTS vote for? - - Not George W. Bush, THAT'S for sure!)
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To: truthandlife
...for class.
286 posted on 11/20/2003 7:49:12 AM PST by Van Jenerette (Our Republic...if we can keep it!)
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To: AppyPappy
An agnostic believes in gods.

No. An agnostic is one who more or less hasn't taken a position on the matter.

287 posted on 11/20/2003 7:49:32 AM PST by Prodigal Son ("Fundamentalist Left". It's a great meme. Spread it.)
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To: pcx99
You said.....President bush is correct. Jews, Christians (Mormons, Baptists, Catholics, etc), Muslims all worship the same God. "

I say......You are WRONG!

Allah is not the same god. Allah is based on the lunacy of the moon gods.

MOhammed made up this religion after he had hallucinations in a cave.

He went home afterward and wanted to commit suicide because he felt the devil had visited him.

His wife at the time talked him into thinking that it was not the devil...but an angel that he had halucinated.

He then went on (with the help of other supposed religeous leaders), to make up a religion that 1.5 billion people now think is the worship of the same god that Christians do.

Just beacuse they believe that this is the same god does not make it so.

288 posted on 11/20/2003 7:49:43 AM PST by Radioactive
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To: milan
Sure, He has the same name,

He does? ergh. I don't call him Allah. Wasn't Allah the name of the moon god before the pagans became Muslims?

289 posted on 11/20/2003 7:49:43 AM PST by Terriergal (Psalm 11: 3 "When the foundations are being destroyed, what can the righteous do?")
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To: truthandlife
Evidently, some agree!

FATIMA TO BECOME INTERFAITH SHRINE

Delegates attending the Vatican and United Nations (UN) inspired annual interfaith congress "The Future of God", held during October in Fátima, heard how the Shrine is to be developed into a centre where all the religions of the world will gather to pay homage to their various gods. The Congress was held in the Paul VI Pastoral Centre and presided over by the Cardinal Patriarch of Lisbon José de Cruz Policarpo.

The Shrine's rector, Monsignor Luciano Guerra, told the Congress that Fátima "will change for the better." Addressing Hindu, Muslim, Jewish, Orthodox, Buddhist and African Pagan representatives he stated: "The future of Fátima, or the adoration of God and His mother at this holy Shrine, must pass through the creation of a shrine where different religions can mingle. The inter-religious dialogue in Portugal, and in the Catholic Church, is still in an embryonic phase, but the Shrine of Fátima is not indifferent to this fact and is already open to being a universalistic place of vocation."

The Hindu representative Ansshok Ansraj, described how already in the Far East millions of Hindus are getting "positive vibrations" from visiting Marian shrines without endangering their faith.

Monsignor Guerra pointed out that the very fact that Fátima is the name of a Muslim and Mohammed's daughter, is indicative that the Shrine must be open to the co-existence of various faiths and beliefs.

According to the Monsignor: "Therefore we must assume that it was the will of the Blessed Virgin Mary that this comes about this way."

Traditional Catholics opposed to the Congress were described by the Monsignor as "old fashioned, narrow minded, fanatic extremists and provocateurs."

For the first time in the 86-year history of Fátima all of the Pagan and Christian delegates were invited to participate in the Ecumenical celebrations. One of the principle speakers, the Jesuit theologian Father Jacques Dupuis, was insistent that the religions of the world must unite. "The religion of the future will be a general converging of religions in a universal Christ that will satisfy all", he said.

The Belgium born theologian argued: "The other religious traditions in the world are part of God's plan for humanity and the Holy Spirit is operating and present in Buddhist, Hindu and other sacred writings of Christian and non-Christian faiths as well." In an impassioned plea he said: "The universality of God's kingdom permits this, and this is nothing more than a diversified form of sharing in the same mystery of salvation. In the end it is hoped that the Christian will become a better Christian and each Hindu a better Hindu."

An official statement put out by the Congress called for a non-proselytizing approach by all religions. "No one religion can irradiate another", it said "or strengthen itself by downplaying others and an open dialogue is the way to building bridges and tearing down walls of centuries of hate. What is needed is that each religion be true to its faith integrally and treat each religion on the same footing of equality with no inferior or superiority complexes." It emphasized that the secret to peace amongst all religions is admitting that contradictions exist between creeds but to concentrate on what unites them as opposed to what separates them.

Delegates agreed that religious shrines, including Fátima, should be revamped every 25 years to reflect modern day trends and beliefs. The Shrine of Fátima is about to undergo a complete reconstruction with a new stadium-like basilica being erected close by the existing one built in 1921.

290 posted on 11/20/2003 7:49:53 AM PST by TrueBeliever9
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To: Miss Marple
Of all the things to focus on, you choose this

The devil's in the details.

291 posted on 11/20/2003 7:50:12 AM PST by Terriergal (Psalm 11: 3 "When the foundations are being destroyed, what can the righteous do?")
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To: rintense
And what of similar passages in the Old Testiment? How should one interpret those? Should Jews also be watched suspiciously for animal sacrifices?

If the Jews start following them out like the Muslims have been, yes it would worry me. But they aren't. And the Muslims are.

Perhaps someday there will be a faction of Christians who take up arms in the name of their God against what they deem as false religions.

Perhaps someday, I'll be able to flap my arms and fly. Until then, I have to buy a plane ticket. When the Christians start doing that, I'll stand up and say "Rintense was right!". But I don't think that will happen.

Every weeks, innocent people die at the hands of Muslims in the name of their religion. And you say "But that's just a coincidence". How many have to die before we say "Maybe it isn't"?

I've been a Republican for 25 years. Everytime the Democrats take control of the government, they raise taxes. But you are going to tell me "That's just a coincidence. All Democrats don't support tax increases, just a few of them". So I guess this election, I'll be told to vote for the Democrats because they are just like the Republicans.

Pass.

292 posted on 11/20/2003 7:51:00 AM PST by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: rintense
I read the Koran. Elements of it that are peaceful and charitable towards but generally only towards it's chosen people. In the opposite extreme, it's very blood curtling in it's dealings with non-believers and the unconverted.

Very much like the Old Testiment.

293 posted on 11/20/2003 7:51:15 AM PST by CWOJackson
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To: Happy2BMe
Please stop posting factual evidence about the Islamic cult. It gets in the way of worship of President Bush. Don't you know everything that comes out of his mouth is automatically true? ;)

BTW, I sincerely thank you for an excellent source of information. Unfortunately it will fall on deaf ears. God and allah are not the same. President Bush is wrong

294 posted on 11/20/2003 7:51:30 AM PST by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: Prodigal Son
. I was raised as a Christian. Baptised. I was probably one of the most paranoid Christian children in history. I prayed dozens of times a day. I prayed mightily every night for God not to strike me down in my sleep for sins that I might have committed unawares during the day.

Sounds like a big piece of Christianity was left out of your education. Ya know, the little thing about mercy and grace.

295 posted on 11/20/2003 7:52:08 AM PST by Terriergal (Psalm 11: 3 "When the foundations are being destroyed, what can the righteous do?")
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To: Prodigal Son

When you had said "I can't find the demonstration of even one deity ..." and then said "I really want to," well, I thought you had claimed to be interested in proof of God's existence. I was pointing out what it would require of you.

296 posted on 11/20/2003 7:52:37 AM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: carton253
He should have said "no".
297 posted on 11/20/2003 7:52:52 AM PST by biblewonk (I must answer all bible questions.)
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To: rintense
Me too.

Everytime I see something idiotic, I go on a search for it.
298 posted on 11/20/2003 7:53:32 AM PST by Neets (Ciao!!! (Sometimes I don't know whether I am coming or going))
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To: Prodigal Son
Previously you said:

I would much prefer a universe with a deity than one without

and now you say:

I am not an atheist though and

So what are you?

299 posted on 11/20/2003 7:53:39 AM PST by Terriergal (Psalm 11: 3 "When the foundations are being destroyed, what can the righteous do?")
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To: mylife
You are correct there is only one God, unfortunately the Islamist haven't found him yet.

I'm sorry as long as Islam has and perpetuates the belief that honor killings are good, women are to be beaten and not heard, and that anyone who doesn't march lock step toward the middle ages is worthy of death, I don't believe Islam is worshipping the one true God.
300 posted on 11/20/2003 7:53:41 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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