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Gay, lesbian couples can teach heterosexuals how to improve relationships: U of Wash
University of Washington ^ | October 20, 2003 | Joel Schwarz

Posted on 10/25/2003 2:03:02 PM PDT by nwrep

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To: nwrep
"Gay and lesbian couples are a lot more mature, more considerate in trying to improve
a relationship and have a greater awareness of equality in a relationship than straight
couples," said John Gottman...


Because they know that their "marriage" won't last nearly as long as a real (1 man -- 1 woman)
sort of marriage. They're like the "Avis Rental Car" of marriage...they KNOW they've
got to try a lot harder. To keep their fake deal afloat.


"I think that in 200 years heterosexual relationships will be where gay
and lesbian relationships are today," said Gottman, who now heads the Relationship
Research Institute in Seattle.


I'm sure some M.D.s in the thriving metropolis of Sodom agreed...but their opinions
somehow just didn't get written down...
61 posted on 10/26/2003 10:24:05 AM PST by VOA
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To: Mike Darancette
point to remember though is that both Oscar and Phelix were mentally healthy (that is, hetereosexual). Both had wives and girlfriends.

Wouldn't want the deviants to start claiming they were flaming.

62 posted on 10/27/2003 4:29:17 AM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: scripter; All
What Homosexuals Say About Homosexuals - Is This Gay Behavior Sick?

""Let´s look at gay behavior as defined by two gays, Marshall Kirk and Hunter Madsen Ph.D., authors of After the Ball: How America will Conquer its Fear and Hatred of Gays in the 90´s (1989).

In Chapter Six, they outline “ten categories of misbehavior,” drawn from their own experiences, wide reading and thousands of hours of conversation with hundreds of other gays. Their contention is that the gay lifestyle, not gay sexuality mind you, “is the pits.” They want gays to improve their image by addressing “what is wrong with a lot of gays.” (276)

What follows are some highlights. As you read this, ask yourself if there is another human community, including the Mafia that could make these generalizations about itself. Ask yourself if we haven´t caught this disease, or at least the sniffles.

•  The authors say “a surprisingly high percentage” of pathological liars and con men are gay. This results from a natural habit of self-concealment, and leads to a stubborn self-deception about one´s own gayness and its implications.

•  They say gays tend to reject all forms of morality and value judgments. Gay morality boils down to “If it feels good, I´ll do it!” If a gay feels like seducing a trusted friend´s lover, he´ll do it, justifying it as an act of “sexual freedom” and the friend be damned.

•  They say gays suffer from a “narcissistic” personality disorder and they give this clinical description: “pathological self absorption, a need for constant attention and admiration, lack of empathy or concern for others, quickly bored, shallow, interested in fads, seductive, overemphasis on appearance, superficially charming, promiscuous, exploitative, preoccupied with remaining youthful, relationships alternate between over idealization and devaluation.”

•  As an example of this narcissism, the authors say “a very sizable proportion of gay men” who have been diagnosed HIV positive continue to have unprotected sex.

•  They say the majority of gays are extremely promiscuous and self-indulgent. They must continuously up the ante to achieve arousal. This begins with alcohol and drugs and includes such “forbidden” aspects of sex as wallowing in filth (fetishism and coprophilia) and sadomasochism, which involves violence.

•  They say many gays indulge in sex in public bathrooms and think it is antigay harassment when it is stopped. Many think they have a right to importune straight males, including children.

•  Many gays are “single minded sexual predators” fixated on youth and physical beauty alone. When it comes to the old or ugly, gays are “the real queerbashers.” Disillusioned themselves, they are cynical about love.

•  “Relationships between gay men don´t usually last very long.” They quickly tire of their partners and fall victim to temptation. The “cheating ratio of ‘married´ gay males, given enough time, approaches 100%.”

•  Even friendships are based on the sexual test and hard to sustain. Unattractive gay men find it nearly impossible to find a friend, let alone a lover.

•  The authors say gays tend to deny reality in various ways: wishful thinking, paranoia, illogic, emotionalism and embracing crackpot ideas.


63 posted on 10/27/2003 6:33:50 AM PST by EdReform (Support Free Republic - Become a Monthly Donor)
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To: nwrep
More homosexual propaganda...


The Overhauling of Straight America

The Homosexual Propaganda and Media Manipulation Game

64 posted on 10/27/2003 6:49:59 AM PST by EdReform (Support Free Republic - Become a Monthly Donor)
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To: EdReform
More homosexual propaganda...

And here's some more


65 posted on 10/27/2003 7:33:19 AM PST by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: TommyDale
John Gottman. What an appropriate name. Too bad Natalie Hateman did not co-author. That would have given it so much more credibility.
66 posted on 10/27/2003 7:42:48 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (Engaging in logical battle with smoke gnatzies, is like attacking an unarmed person. It's mean!)
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To: chicagolady; nwrep; All
An excerpt from "Culture of Vice":

"The homosexual cause has moved naturally from a plea for tolerance to cultural conquest. As Robert Reilly notes a society can withstand any number of person who try to advance their own moral disorders as public policy. But it cannot survive once it adopts the justifications for whose moral disorders as its own. This is what is at stake in the culture war...

For any individual, moral failure is hard to live with because of the rebuke of conscience. Habitual moral failure, what used to be called vice, can be lived with only by obliterating conscience through rationalization. When we rationalize, we convince ourselves that heretofore forbidden desires are permissible. We advance the reality of the desires over the reality of the moral order to which the desires should be subordinated. In our minds we replace the reality of moral order with something more congenial to the activity we are excusing. In short, we assert that bad is good...

It is often difficult to detect rationalizations when one is living directly under their influence, and so historical examples are useful. One of the clearest was offered at the Nuremberg trials by Dr. Karl Brandt, who had been in charge of the Nazi regime's Aktion T-4 euthanasia program. He said in his defense: “...when I said `yes' to euthanasia I did so with the deepest conviction, just as it is my conviction today, that it was right. Death can mean deliverance. Death is life.”

Unlike Dr. Brandt, most people recover from their rationalizations when remorse and reality set back in. But when morally disordered acts become the defining centerpiece of one's life, vice can permanently pervert reason. Entrenched moral aberrations then impel people to rationalize vice not only to themselves but to others as well. Thus rationalizations become an engine for revolutionary change that will affect society as a whole.

The power of rationalization drives the culture war, gives it its particular revolutionary character, and makes its advocates indefatigable. It may draw its energy from desperation, but it is all the more powerful for that. Since failed rationalization means self-recrimination, it must be avoided at all cost. For this reason, the differences over which the culture war is being fought are not subject to reasoned discourse. Persons protecting themselves by rationalizing are interested not in finding the truth, but in maintaining the illusion that allows them to continue their behavior. For them to succeed in this, everyone must accede to their rationalization. This is why revolutionary change is required. The necessity for self-justification requires the complicity of the whole culture. Holdouts cannot be tolerated because they are potential rebukes. The self-hatred, anger, and guilt that a person possessed of a functioning conscience would normally feel from doing wrong are redirected by the rationalization and projected upon society as a whole (if the society is healthy), or upon those in society who do not accept the rationalization.

The homosexual movement's rationalization is far more widely advanced in its claims. According to Jeffrey Levi, former executive director for the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force, “We (homosexuals)_ are no longer seeking just a right to privacy and a right to protection from wrong. We have a right - as heterosexuals have already - to see government and society affirm our lives.” Since only the act of sodomy differentiates an active homosexual from a heterosexual, homosexuals want “government and society” to affirm that sodomy is morally equivalent to the marital act. “Coming out of the closet” can only mean an assent on the level of moral principle to what would otherwise be considered morally disordered.

And so it must be. If you are going to center your public life on the private act of sodomy, you had better transform sodomy into a highly moral act. If sodomy is a moral disorder, it cannot be legitimately advanced on the legal or civil level. On the other hand, if it is a highly moral act, it should serve as the basis for marriage, family (adoption), and community. As a moral act, sodomy should be normative. If it is normative, it should be taught in our schools as a standard. In fact, homosexuality should be hieratic: active homosexuals should be ordained as priests. All of this is happening. It was predictable. The homosexual cause moved naturally from a plea for tolerance to cultural conquest. How successful that conquest has been can be seen in the poverty of the rhetoric of its opponents. In supporting the Defense of Marriage Act, the best one congressman could do was to say, “America is not yet ready for homosexual marriage,” as if we simply need a decent interval to adjust ourselves to its inevitable arrival.

The homosexual rationalization is so successful that even the campaign against AIDS is part of it, with its message that “everyone is at risk.” If everyone is at risk, the disease cannot be related to specific behavior. Yet homosexual acts are the single greatest risk factor in catching AIDS. This unpleasant fact invites unwelcome attention to the nature of homosexual acts, so it must be ignored..."


67 posted on 10/27/2003 9:22:13 AM PST by EdReform (Support Free Republic - Become a Monthly Donor)
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To: nwrep
""Gay and lesbian couples are a lot more mature, more considerate in trying to improve a relationship and have a greater awareness of equality in a relationship than straight couples," said John Gottman, a University of Washington emeritus professor of psychology who directed the research along with Robert Levenson, a University of California, Berkeley, psychology professor."



Um. This is pure falsehood. My studies in sociology during college were clear - the highest levels of domestic violence is in gay couples.
68 posted on 10/27/2003 9:23:26 AM PST by Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh
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To: scripter
Indeed!

Seven Steps to Recruit-proof Your Child

Choice 4 Truth

69 posted on 10/27/2003 9:26:20 AM PST by EdReform (Support Free Republic - Become a Monthly Donor)
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To: nwrep
"Gay and lesbian couples are a lot more mature, more considerate in trying to improve a relationship and have a greater awareness of equality in a relationship than straight couples"

"I think that in 200 years heterosexual relationships will be where gay and lesbian relationships are today"

"Straight couples start a conflict discussion in a much more negative place than do gays and lesbian couples. Homosexuals start the same kind of discussions with more humor and affection, are less domineering and show considerably more positive emotions than heterosexual couples.

Gay and lesbian relationships seem to be marked by what Gottman calls "the triumph of positive emotions over negative emotions."

"Another interesting thing that emerged in conversations the couples had was that gays and lesbians are more honest ... Same sex couples talk about sex, and are more mature and honest and less fragile in talking about it."

Gays and lesbians may be more competent at having a mature relationship.

To sum it all up: Homosexuals are superior to those antiquated "breeders" ...

70 posted on 10/27/2003 9:39:25 AM PST by spodefly (This is my tagline. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: nwrep
for class.
71 posted on 10/27/2003 9:45:09 AM PST by Van Jenerette (Our Republic...if we can keep it!)
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To: spodefly
"To sum it all up: Homosexuals are superior to those antiquated "breeders" ... "


From Reply 63 above:

... gays tend to deny reality in various ways: wishful thinking, paranoia, illogic, emotionalism and embracing crackpot ideas.


72 posted on 10/27/2003 9:47:51 AM PST by EdReform (Support Free Republic - Become a Monthly Donor)
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To: Polonius
Ok, second reference to Crabs I have seen today. If it isn't pornographic, could you please provide an explanation. The moose distracted me, and I must have missed this one.
73 posted on 10/27/2003 9:48:44 AM PST by Politicalmom
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To: Politicalmom
It's a reference to last week's "South Park," which was about the whole "Queer Eye for the Straight Guy"/"Metrosexual" phenomenon. All the men of South Park were caught up in the craze and became effeminate, shopping-obsessed metrosexuals. It turned out that it was all a plot by the subterranean Crab People to take over the Earth by making men too weak to resist.
74 posted on 10/27/2003 3:20:24 PM PST by Polonius (It's called logic, it'll help you.)
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To: nwrep
"Gay, lesbian couples can teach heterosexuals how to improve relationships"

Another tactic to legitimize unhetero relationships. It could work. A gay man might show a hetero wife how to unleash her feminine side and a lesbian might ...
Naw, it won't work.
75 posted on 10/27/2003 3:32:29 PM PST by OldEagle (Haven't been wrong since 1947.)
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To: Polonius
Got it. Thanks.

So how do we put the Crab people and the moose together?? : )
76 posted on 10/27/2003 7:55:46 PM PST by Politicalmom
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