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Bush's grandfather was director of bank seized by govt for affiliation with Nazi-funding...
Associated Press ^ | 10-17-03

Posted on 10/17/2003 4:32:00 PM PDT by Brian S

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:44:26 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: inquest
I'd be curious to know who made the decision to declassify them at this time, and what the decisionmaking process was.

I'd bet the decision to classify the info was made a few years ago, during the Monica years, and the decision was made by someone whose name I won't mention, but we all know and love her, NOT, to keep the information quiet until a time when it can possibly do damage to "W."

101 posted on 10/17/2003 6:07:17 PM PDT by Lucy Lake
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To: teletech
If you don't like the threads I initiate, you are under no obligation to read them.
102 posted on 10/17/2003 6:07:45 PM PDT by Brian S (" In the United States, armed masses represent the foundation of political order.")
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To: Brian S
"Well gramps (or is it cramps)"

Man, you are articulate! By the way, it is "gramps" to you asshole!

103 posted on 10/17/2003 6:08:23 PM PDT by fuzzthatwuz
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To: Brian S
If you don't like the threads I initiate, you are under no obligation to read them

More NONSENSE!

104 posted on 10/17/2003 6:10:47 PM PDT by teletech (Have we dug up Saddam yet?)
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To: Brian S
Bush - Nazi Link Confirmed
By by John Buchanan
from The New Hampshire Gazette Vol. 248, No. 1, October 10, 2003

By John Buchanan

Exclusive to The New Hampshire Gazette

WASHINGTON - After 60 years of inattention and even denial by the U.S. media, newly-uncovered government documents in The National Archives and Library of Congress reveal that Prescott Bush, the grandfather of President George W. Bush, served as a business partner of and U.S. banking operative for the financial architect of the Nazi war machine from 1926 until 1942, when Congress took aggressive action against Bush and his "enemy national" partners.

The documents also show that Bush and his colleagues, according to reports from the U.S. Department of the Treasury and FBI, tried to conceal their financial alliance with German industrialist Fritz Thyssen, a steel and coal baron who, beginning in the mid-1920s, personally funded Adolf Hitler's rise to power by the subversion of democratic principle and German law.

Furthermore, the declassified records demonstrate that Bush and his associates, who included E. Roland Harriman, younger brother of American icon W. Averell Harriman, and George Herbert Walker, President Bush's maternal great-grandfather, continued their dealings with the German industrial baron for nearly eight months after the U.S. entered the war.

No Story?

For six decades these historical facts have gone unreported by the mainstream U.S. media. The essential facts have appeared on the Internet and in relatively obscure books, but were dismissed by the media and Bush family as undocumented diatribes. This story has also escaped the attention of "official" Bush biographers, Presidential historians and publishers of U.S. history books covering World War II and its aftermath.

The White House did not respond to phone calls seeking comment.

The Summer of '42

The unraveling of the web of Bush-Harriman-Thyssen U.S. enterprises, all of which operated out of the same suite of offices at 39 Broadway under the supervision of Prescott Bush, began with a story that ran in the New York Herald-Tribune on July 30, 1942. By then, the U.S. had been at war with Germany for nearly eight months.

"Hitler's Angel Has $3 Million in U.S. Bank," declared the headline. The lead paragraph characterized Fritz Thyssen as "Adolf Hitler's original patron a decade ago." In fact, the steel and coal magnate had aggressively supported and funded Hitler since October 1923, according to Thyssen's autobiography, I Paid Hitler. In that book, Thyssen also acknowledges his direct personal relationships with Adolf Hitler, Joseph Goebbels and Rudolf Hess.

The Herald-Tribune also cited unnamed sources who suggested Thyssen's U.S. "nest egg" in fact belonged to "Nazi bigwigs" including Goebbels, Hermann Goering, Heinrich Himmler, or even Hitler himself.

Business is Business

The "bank," founded in 1924 by W. Averell Harriman on behalf of Thyssen and his Bank voor Handel en Scheepvaart N.V. of Holland, was Union Banking Corporation (UBC) of New York City. According to government documents, it was in reality a clearing house for a number of Thyssen-controlled enterprises and assets, including as many as a dozen individual businesses. UBC also bought and shipped overseas gold, steel, coal, and U.S. Treasury and war bonds. The company's activities were administered for Thyssen by a Netherlands-born, naturalized U.S. citizen named Cornelis Lievense, who served as president of UBC. Roland Harriman was chairman and Prescott Bush a managing director.

The Herald-Tribune article did not identify Bush or Harriman as executives of UBC, or Brown Brothers Harriman, in which they were partners, as UBC's private banker. A confidential FBI memo from that period suggested, without naming the Bush and Harriman families, that politically prominent individuals were about to come under official U.S. government scrutiny as Hitler's plunder of Europe continued unabated.

After the "Hitler's Angel" article was published Bush and Harriman made no attempts to divest themselves of the controversial Thyssen financial alliance, nor did they challenge the newspaper report that UBC was, in fact, a de facto Nazi front organization in the U.S.

Instead, the government documents show, Bush and his partners increased their subterfuge to try to conceal the true nature and ownership of their various businesses, particularly after the U.S. entered the war. The documents also disclose that Cornelis Lievense, Thyssen's personal appointee to oversee U.S. matters for his Rotterdam-based Bank voor Handel en Scheepvaart N.V., via UBC for nearly two decades, repeatedly denied to U.S. government investigators any knowledge of the ownership of the Netherlands bank or the role of Thyssen in it.

UBC's original group of business associates included George Herbert Walker, who had a relationship with the Harriman family that began in 1919. In 1922, Walker and W. Averell Harriman traveled to Berlin to set up the German branch of their banking and investment operations, which were largely based on critical war resources such as steel and coal.

The Walker-Harriman-created German industrial alliance also included partnership with another German titan who supported Hitler's rise, Friedrich Flick, who partnered with Thyssen in the German Steel Trust that forged the Nazi war machine. For his role in using slave labor and his own steel, coal and arms resources to build Hitler's war effort, Flick was convicted at the Nuremberg trials and sentenced to seven years in prison.

The Family Business

In 1926, after Prescott Bush had married Walker's daughter, Dorothy, Walker brought Bush in as a vice president of the private banking and investment firm of W.A. Harriman & Co., also located in New York. Bush became a partner in the firm that later became Brown Brothers Harriman and the largest private investment bank in the world. Eventually, Bush became a director of and stockholder in UBC.

However, the government documents note that Bush, Harriman, Lievense and the other UBC stockholders were in fact "nominees," or phantom shareholders, for Thyssen and his Holland bank, meaning that they acted at the direct behest of their German client.

Seized

On October 20, 1942, under authority of the Trading with the Enemy Act, the U.S. Congress seized UBC and liquidated its assets after the war. The seizure is confirmed by Vesting Order No. 248 in the U.S. Office of the Alien Property Custodian and signed by U.S. Alien Property Custodian Leo T. Crowley.

In August, under the same authority, Congress had seized the first of the Bush-Harriman-managed Thyssen entities, Hamburg-American Line, under Vesting Order No. 126, also signed by Crowley. Eight days after the seizure of UBC, Congress invoked the Trading with the Enemy Act again to take control of two more Bush-Harriman-Thyssen businesses - Holland-American Trading Corp. (Vesting Order No. 261) and Seamless Steel Equipment Corp (Vesting Order No. 259). In November, Congress seized the Nazi interests in Silesian-American Corporation, which allegedly profited from slave labor at Auschwitz via a partnership with I.G. Farben, Hitler's third major industrial patron and partner in the infrastructure of the Third Reich.

The documents from the Archives also show that the Bushes and Harrimans shipped valuable U.S. assets, including gold, coal, steel and U.S. Treasury and war bonds, to their foreign clients overseas as Hitler geared up for his 1939 invasion of Poland, the event that sparked World War II.

That's One Way to Put It

Following the Congressional seizures of UBC and the other four Bush-Harriman-Thyssen enterprises, The New York Times reported on December 16, 1944, in a brief story on page 25, that UBC had "received authority to change its principal place of business to 120 Broadway." The Times story did not report that UBC had been seized by the U.S. government or that the new address was the U.S. Office of the Alien Property Custodian. The story also neglected to mention that the other UBC-related businesses had also been seized by Congress.

Still No Story?

Since then, the information has not appeared in any U.S. news coverage of any Bush political campaign, nor has it been included in any of the major Bush family biographies. It was, however, covered extensively in George H.W. Bush: The Unauthorized Biography, by Webster Tarpley and Anton Chaitkin. Chaitkin's father served as an attorney in the 1940s for some of the victims of the Bush-Harriman-Thyssen businesses.

The book gave a detailed, accurate accounting of the Bush family's long Nazi affiliation, but no mainstream U.S. media entity reported on or even investigated the allegations, despite careful documentation by the authors. Major booksellers declined to distribute the book, which was dismissed by Bush supporters as biased and untrue. Its authors struggled even to be reviewed in reputable newspapers. That the book was published by a Lyndon LaRouche's organization undoubtedly made it easier to dismiss, but does not change the facts.

The essence of the story been posted for years on various Internet sites, including BuzzFlash.com and TakeBackTheMedia.com, but no online media seem to have independently confirmed it.

Likewise, the mainstream media have apparently made no attempt since World War II to either verify or disprove the allegations of Nazi collaboration against the Bush family. Instead, they have attempted to dismiss or discredit such Internet sites or "unauthorized" books without any journalistic inquiry or research into their veracity.

Loyal Defenders

The National Review ran an essay on September 1 by their White House correspondent Byron York, entitled "Annals of Bush-Hating." It begins mockingly: "Are you aware of the murderous history of George W. Bush - indeed, of the entire Bush family? Are you aware of the president's Nazi sympathies? His crimes against humanity? And do you know, by the way, that George W. Bush is a certifiable moron?" York goes on to discredit the "Bush is a moron" IQ hoax, but fails to disprove the Nazi connection.

The more liberal Boston Globe ran a column September 29 by Reason magazine's Cathy Young in which she referred to "Bush-o-phobes on the Internet" who "repeat preposterous claims about the Bush family's alleged Nazi connections."

Poles Tackle the Topic

Newsweek Polska, the magazine's Polish edition, published a short piece on the "Bush Nazi past" in its March 5, 2003 edition. The item reported that "the Bush family reaped rewards from the forced-labor prisoners in the Auschwitz concentration camp," according to a copyrighted English-language translation from Scoop Media (www.scoop.co.nz). The story also reported the seizure of the various Bush-Harriman-Thyssen businesses.

Still Not Interested

Major U.S. media outlets, including ABC News, NBC News, The New York Times, Washington Post, Washington Times, Los Angeles Times and Miami Herald, have repeatedly declined to investigate the story when information regarding discovery of the documents was presented to them beginning Friday, August 29. Newsweek U.S. correspondent Michael Isikoff, famous for his reporting of big scoops during the Clinton-Lewinsky sexual affair of the 1990s, declined twice to accept an exclusive story based on the documents from the archives.

Aftermath

After the seizures of the various businesses they oversaw with Cornelis Lievense and his German partners, the U.S. government quietly settled with Bush, Harriman and others after the war. Bush and Harriman each received $1.5 million in cash as compensation for their seized business assets.

In 1952, Prescott Bush was elected to the U.S. Senate, with no press accounts about his well-concealed Nazi past. There is no record of any U.S. press coverage of the Bush-Nazi connection during any political campaigns conducted by George Herbert Walker Bush, Jeb Bush, or George W. Bush, with the exception of a brief mention in an unrelated story in the Sarasota Herald Tribune in November 2000 and a brief but inaccurate account in The Boston Globe in 2001.
John Buchanan is a journalist and investigative reporter with 33 years of experience in New York, Los Angeles, Washington and Miami. His work has appeared in more than 50 newspapers, magazines and books. He can be reached by e-mail at: jtwg@bellsouth.net.
105 posted on 10/17/2003 6:12:12 PM PDT by dennisw (G_d is at war with Amalek for all generations)
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To: dennisw
Come on in Dennisw...the water is very, very warm! :)
106 posted on 10/17/2003 6:15:20 PM PDT by Brian S (" In the United States, armed masses represent the foundation of political order.")
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To: Brian S
Prescott Bush was one of the BEST senators Connecticut ever had - TOTALLY the opposite end of the scale from D(u)dd and LIEberman(/blatt/berg/styne/feld/whatever) - both functional toilet-paper-substitutes for the democrats (IMO, of course).
107 posted on 10/17/2003 6:15:21 PM PDT by solitas
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To: Brian S
Does not Economics trump politics? We trade with the Communist Chinese.
108 posted on 10/17/2003 6:15:22 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (Further, the statement assumed)
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To: el_texicano
I can see the New York Times headlines now..."Bush Tied to the Origin of Sin!!!!

I don't think there are any "original" sins left, although Clinton tried hard to discover any new ones.

109 posted on 10/17/2003 6:15:46 PM PDT by Wilhelm Tell (Lurking since 1997!)
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To: RWR8189
Time for an expose on the Kennedy clan. The smear campaign has begun.
110 posted on 10/17/2003 6:17:10 PM PDT by truthandjustice1
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To: Brian S
The 4,000 Union Banking shares owned by the Dutch bank were registered in the names of the seven U.S. directors....Bush had one share.

(yawn)

111 posted on 10/17/2003 6:22:19 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: grizzfan; inquest
classify = make that de-classify the info.
112 posted on 10/17/2003 6:24:19 PM PDT by Lucy Lake
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS
Economics trumps (geo)politics in the minds of Western checker players. In the minds of our chess player enemies, it does not. We were lucky to win WW-II, and did not do quite as well in the Cold War is claimed by many. Look at the resurgence of anti American cabals. Some within our own land. Is it not patriotic to point this out? Personally, I think we have more to learn from Von Clausewitz than from M. Friedman. That's not to say we should avert ourselves from learning from Adam Smith, and, Edmund Burke!
113 posted on 10/17/2003 6:42:43 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Un-PC even to "Conservatives!" - Right makes right)
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To: Brian S
Another attempt to smear PresBush. Ho-hum.

Sauce for the goose.

114 posted on 10/17/2003 6:46:11 PM PDT by Reagan Man (The few, the proud, the conservatives.)
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To: Nebullis
"Coming up: Mapplethorpe took nude pictures of George W. Bush! "

So that's who the person in the bullwhip photo is! ;)
115 posted on 10/17/2003 6:54:46 PM PDT by RatSlayer
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To: Brian S
Old story. Prescott Bush was not a nice guy. Neither was old man Kennedy. What counts is how their children and grandchildren turned out.
116 posted on 10/17/2003 6:57:14 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: dasboot
Agreed. Laying the foundations for the populace's foggy recall of Bush's 'Nazi' connections. Psyops 101 for a long term operation.
117 posted on 10/17/2003 6:57:20 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (DEFUND NPR & PBS - THE AMERICAN PRAVDA)
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To: arasina
This is so funny, I hardly know what to think. During the 2000 elections I debated a Dem at another site. She's a kook. Whenever she was desperate she always brought up George's Nazi grandpa and Skulls and Bones. This is bringing back memories. I guess they are getting desperate again.

There are several Democrats who were in Skulls and Bones too. Did 60 minutes report that as well?

118 posted on 10/17/2003 7:01:03 PM PDT by SpookBrat (There, but the for the grace of God, go I)
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To: wingnuts'nbolts
"Lindburgh thought facism the coming way"

Can anyone confirm this? Because the evidence I've seen so far only shows that he was an isolationist, not a facist.
119 posted on 10/17/2003 7:01:13 PM PDT by RatSlayer
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To: Poohbah
Ford, GM, Krupp all had connections with the Nazi party and supported them throughout the war with their production and war machines. One of the Krupps I talked to went to the University of Chicago prior to the war to learn the latest in metallurgy to take back to Germany. Any director of GM or Ford could be accused of Nazi leanings.

There is an interesting sidelight to the war that was observed by our troops in Germany. There was never a bombing run on any of these factories connected to our automakers and Krupp, even though they were involved in supporting the war effort of the Axis. People in high places wanted those factories intact when the war ended.

120 posted on 10/17/2003 7:01:35 PM PDT by meenie
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To: Brian S
"Fritz Thyssen broke with the Nazis in 1938 over their persecution of Catholics and Jews, and fled to Switzerland. He later was arrested and spent 1941 to 1945 in a Nazi prison. His brother lived in Switzerland from 1932 to 1947 but continued to operate businesses in Germany."
The above information is always conveniently overlooked in any account (almost always from Leftist/Dem sources) of this matter that I have read. After Thyssen's break with the Nazi party he was on the run as he was considered to be a traitor and an enemy to the party. He was eventually captured by the Nazis (I believe in France) and thrown into prison where he stayed until after the allied victory.
121 posted on 10/17/2003 7:03:39 PM PDT by Avenger
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To: meenie
Ford, GM, Krupp all had connections with the Nazi party and supported them throughout the war with their production and war machines.

Actually, Ford and GM had very little control over their overseas divisions. The suits thousands of miles away in Detroit had far less input than the Waffen-SS officer ten yards down the hall with a StG44 did.

One of the Krupps I talked to went to the University of Chicago prior to the war to learn the latest in metallurgy to take back to Germany.

Relevant words bolded.

Any director of GM or Ford could be accused of Nazi leanings.

The only one that truly applied to was Henry Ford himself.

There is an interesting sidelight to the war that was observed by our troops in Germany. There was never a bombing run on any of these factories connected to our automakers and Krupp, even though they were involved in supporting the war effort of the Axis.

Since the circular error probable for a bomb run was five miles in those pre-LGB/JDAM days, your claim is garbage.

People in high places wanted those factories intact when the war ended.

Which explains why Ford and GM got tens of millions in compensation for damage to those factories when they got bombed and/or shot up during ground fighting in the course of the war.

122 posted on 10/17/2003 7:08:43 PM PDT by Poohbah ("Would you mind not shooting at the thermonuclear weapons?" -- Major Vic Deakins, USAF)
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To: dennisw; Brian S
The AP article leaves out a lot of historical context that is critical to understanding why these men raised the capital to help Hitler take over a country and raise a huge army.

In 1917 Kaiser Bill sent Lenin from Switzerland to St. Petersburg in the famous Sealed Train to overthrow Kerensky’s government and get Russia out of the war. The Kaiser’s plan worked. Lenin’s Bolsheviks struck a separate peace with Germany and pulled Russia out of the war, throwing a monkey wrench into the Allies’ war plans and throwing the US into general political hysteria.

In 1919 an Anglo-American expeditionary force landed on Russia’s Pacific coast to strangle the Bolshevik infant in its cradle, but the force was withdrawn because it was too small and had no achievable mission.

During the Twenties, the international banking community feared that once Lenin had stabilized the Soviet Union and ended its civil war, he would send his barbarian hordes to conquer central and western Europe. Once Lenin died, Trotsky made this one of his highest priorities, along with a half-baked plan for getting American blacks to rebel and install a communist government in Red Dixie. Fortunately, Stalin had a higher priority, which was consolidating power at home.

Anyone who could read a map of Europe understood that a strong and stable Germany was critical for containing the Soviets. But the Weimar constitution had a fatal flaw: It permitted political parties to maintain their own uniformed militias. The Germany Communist Party had the biggest and toughest militia in the country, and seasoned observers saw a communist takeover of Germany as inevitable -- unless someone intervened.

Once Hitler’s Nazi militia proved its mettle in the streets, bankers began to funnel money to Hitler as Germany’s last hope. When he achieved power, Hitler removed the genuine socialists from his party in the Night of the Long Knives, allied with the military/industrial complex and the Prussian junker class, and began to gird for war.

War is all about credit. How did Hitler take a country with a thoroughly debauched currency and raise the capital to build the biggest and best military machine in Europe? The dirty little secret of the international baking community in general -- and the American banking community in particular -- was the role they played in financing Hitler. All parties to this plan understood that the long range goal was to build the German army into a force that would invade and topple the communist regime in Moscow (Operation Barbarossa).

Thus, when Hitler’s invasion of Poland brought declarations of war from England and France -- and the year-long “phony war” -- the bankers were certain that once Hitler violated his pact with Stalin and sent his troops into the Russian heartland, it would be a simple matter for England and France to rescind their declarations of war and ally with Hitler in the great campaign to rid the world of Stalin and his ilk.

But the bankers discovered too late that Hitler, like Lenin, was a historical wild card. Hitler was not supposed to invade France, Norway, half of Europe, bomb England and prepare to invade it. Rudolf Hess’ airplane flight to England was a last-ditch attempt to pull together support for an Anglo-German alliance against the Soviets. The final opening of Operation Barbarossa was too tempting for the bankers, and they continued to funnel money to Hitler even after the American declaration of war. The Walker, Bush, Dulles and Harriman families were up to their necks in a gambit that had looked good on paper but had blown up in their faces.

Ironically, when the war ended their worst nightmare had been realized. Stalin’s hordes had conquered all of eastern Europe, half of central Europe, and were on the verge of taking western Europe. The “wise men” of Wall Street and the Foreign Policy Community then drafted the US to unite western Europe and rebuild it so as to form a bulwark against the Soviet communists, creating NATO in the process. We call the result of that action the Cold War.

123 posted on 10/17/2003 7:21:52 PM PDT by Publius
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To: MJY1288; Grampa Dave; Peach
The Real Al Gore Sr.(A Must Read)

WorldNetDaily
12-12-98 Joseph Farah

(Not for commercial use, solely for "fair use" discussion and education.)

Some people will no doubt object to this column. After all, you're not supposed to speak ill of the dead -- especially the recent dead. But with all the flowery tributes to Al Gore Sr. in the last few days, I figure somebody has to speak the truth about this man who, in his lifetime, collaborated with and profited handsomely from evil.

Vice President Al Gore eulogized his father Tuesday as a politician driven by "conscience" who never forgot his humble upbringing and always tried to help others.

"Dad, your whole life has been an inspiration,'' Gore said, his voice cracking slightly.

I believe Al Jr. when he says that. And it scares the hell out of me.

To appreciate what I'm about to tell you with regard to Al Gore Sr., you first must familiarize yourself with a man by the name of Armand Hammer -- worth more than a few columns himself.

Hammer was a personal friend of V.I. Lenin. He was known as Lenin's "path" to America's financial resources -- in other words, the guy who would sell us the rope with which we would be hanged. Hammer was the first Western businessman to participate in KGB-controlled joint ventures in the Soviet Union. The son of Julius Hammer, a founder of the Socialist Labor Party and later the Communist Party USA who served time in Sing Sing for performing illegal abortions, Armand was called the "Capitalist Prince" by the KGB. Hammer dutifully served the Soviets for seven decades and became the first -- and only -- American capitalist to be awarded the Order of Lenin.

Edward J. Epstein's "Dossier: The Secret History of Armand Hammer" is must reading for anyone who wants to understand how so-called "capitalists" like Hammer can serve as willing and able tools of revolutionary Marxists and global socialists.

Lenin told Stalin about Hammer: "This is a small path leading to the American 'business' world, and this path should be made use of in every way." To the Soviet Union in his day, Hammer was a figure with much in common with the contemporary spy-cum-billionaire Mochtar Riady -- doing the bidding of socialist tyrants -- and making a bundle in the process.

Hammer was part-time spy, part-time money-launderer, part-time industrialist -- but a full-time traitor to the United States of America.

But I digress. The story for today is how Hammer's corrupt, evil career was aided in numerous ways by Vice President Al Gore's Daddy, who was a partner in various Hammer enterprises for more than four decades. As Epstein documents in "Dossier," the elder Gore helped Hammer make connections with a series of U.S. presidents and used his influence to help Hammer's Occidental Petroleum company gain access to foreign political leaders. But, most importantly, it was Gore who helped stop the FBI from pursuing an investigation of the industrialist as a Soviet agent of influence.

It seems Al Gore Sr. knew something about "controlling legal authorities" and obstruction of justice himself. Like father, like son.

Conscience? Humble beginnings? When the elder Gore retired from the Senate, he received a $500,000-a-year job as head of Occidental's coal division. So, it would seem, the cleanest money in Al Gore's family tree came from tobacco. The really dirty, blood money came direct from Moscow for services rendered to Communist totalitarians and their pseudo-capitalist puppet, errand boys. Tell me about conscience, Al.

After the younger Gore was elected to the Senate in 1980, he continued a tradition begun by his father by inviting Hammer into the "senators only" section during President Reagan's inauguration.

Al Jr. has emulated his Dad in other ways, too. Today he serves as co-chairman of an Russian-U.S. commission intended to help the next generation of Armand Hammer-style "Capitalist Princes" develop contacts with KGB-dominated businesses.

In 1994, the vice president established U.S.-Russian Joint Commission on Economic and Technical Cooperation, better known as the Gore-Chernomyrdin Commission. The purpose of the commission is to help establish joint ventures in space exploration, science and technology, defense conversion, environmental initiatives, public health issues, agribusiness and economic development. The Russian side of this equation is littered with shadowy figures with one foot in the intelligence community and the other in mob-related activities.

Sound familiar? Like father, like son. A daily radio broadcast adaptation of Joseph Farah's commentaries can be heard at http://www.ktkz.com/

124 posted on 10/17/2003 7:27:32 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Publius
Thanks for the info
125 posted on 10/17/2003 7:39:00 PM PDT by dennisw (G_d is at war with Amalek for all generations)
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To: Brian S
So let me see if I have this right: allegations of then-President 'toon's rape of Juanita Broadderick three decades ago were too old to be relevant, but allegations of President Bush's grandfather working with someone who bankrolled Hitler eight decades ago are AP national news??
126 posted on 10/17/2003 8:13:51 PM PDT by ellery
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To: ellery
So let me see if I have this right: allegations of then-President 'toon's rape of Juanita Broadderick three decades ago were too old to be relevant, but allegations of President Bush's grandfather working with someone who bankrolled Hitler eight decades ago are AP national news??

Yup.

127 posted on 10/17/2003 8:17:34 PM PDT by Poohbah ("Would you mind not shooting at the thermonuclear weapons?" -- Major Vic Deakins, USAF)
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To: WhiteGuy
Do we not still prosecute the nazi guards when we can find them.....

Do we also prosecute the grandchildren of people who once worked with someone who gave money to a NAZI guard but repudiated said guard after he started working at the camp?

128 posted on 10/17/2003 8:24:05 PM PDT by ellery
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To: Grampa Dave; Brian S
This is a new posting low for the SoBs, Sons of Buchanan.

Madeline Albright's great great uncle had sexual relations with Joe Kennedy's first cousins' goat.

Is that why Teddy felt compelled to let Mary Jo drown, inasmuch as her grandfather's cat used to urinate on tommy daschole's great great aunt's flowers?

129 posted on 10/17/2003 8:46:51 PM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in groups or whole armies.....we don't care how we getcha, but we will)
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To: Poohbah
The relevant word is ACCUSED. Similar to ACCUSED as Prescott Bush was ACCUSED. As far as the factories in Germany, there was no way that they weren't to be used for the benefit of the nation in which they were located. As far as the air raids on Ford, GM, and Krupp Steel, they were not raided, but did suffer damage from ground attack forces and artillery. I would imagine the compensation covered this damage.

It is hard to control a group of ground forces when the enemy is using a site as a defensive position. Krupp Steel was very heavily involved in the V2 rockets that were used against England in the Battle of Britain. As far as the JDam comment being a bunch of garbage, I would advise you that every building in Schweinfurt housing their ball bearing factories were leveled, not by pin-point accuracy, but by massive bombing.

A five mile radius as you mentioned is a little off the mark, the bombardiers were capable of coming within a half mile at 10,000 ft. altitude in spite of wind, drift, and density. Our artillery was capable of pin-point accuracy up to eight miles after several rounds spent getting on target. The ballistics and quality of our bores would hold the rounds within a five foot circle at eight miles. The variables such as changing wind speed and direction, incoming moisture and cold fronts would cause a parameter to widen but could be overcome in a round or two after adjustments.

130 posted on 10/17/2003 8:59:35 PM PDT by meenie
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To: Brian S
I see a little aproval rating manipulation here.
131 posted on 10/17/2003 9:00:47 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Howlin
I've read that about Gore's father - only on FR of course! It's not like the AP could find itself interested in Gore's background during his 8 years as VP.
132 posted on 10/17/2003 9:02:41 PM PDT by Peach (The Clintons have pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Brian S
Bush's grandfather was director of bank seized by government for affiliation with Nazi-funding German industrialist

What has happen to this site? This is pure garbage.

133 posted on 10/17/2003 9:05:41 PM PDT by Dustbunny
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To: Brian S
Wait a minute...President Bush's grandfather was a DIRECTOR of a bank that had a CLIENT who was, in turn, a supporter of Hitler??? And then the article says...Prescott had no actual involvement with this bank's client?

What is this...a smear of what????

Does this mean that anyone who sits on the Board of Directors of ANY BANK is responsible for the conduct of EVERY CLIENT?

This is guilt by NON-association. Are the liberals THIS desparate???

LOL

I guess trying to make Arnold into a Nazi didn't work...so moving on to Bush was the only thing left to do.

134 posted on 10/17/2003 9:09:02 PM PDT by Republic
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To: meenie
As far as the factories in Germany, there was no way that they weren't to be used for the benefit of the nation in which they were located.

Exactly. And it would have happened no matter what the suits in Detroit said--because while the suit in Detroit is thousands of miles away, the Nazi waving a StG44 is hanging around right outside the factory gate.

As far as the air raids on Ford, GM, and Krupp Steel, they were not raided,

Actually, they were. I would suggest reading Jablonsky's "Air War" for more detail; he comments extensively on the ironies of trying to bomb Opel plants and the like.

Whatever wasn't hit, it wasn't for a lack of trying, only a lack of accuracy. Like I said, the CEP for an air raid back in those days was five miles. That might as well be the next time zone unless you're using PGMs or nukes.

but did suffer damage from ground attack forces and artillery. I would imagine the compensation covered this damage.

And air raid damage.

I would advise you that every building in Schweinfurt housing their ball bearing factories were leveled, not by pin-point accuracy, but by massive bombing.

Actually, they weren't.

One of the most-heavily classified documents of the post-WW2 era was the United States Strategic Bombing Survey, or USSBS. The Army Air Force (and the US Air Force) fought like demons to keep it classified. Why? Because the USSBS found that strategic bombing did not work. Take away strategic bombing, and you've taken away the raison d'etre for an independent air force.

A five mile radius as you mentioned is a little off the mark, the bombardiers were capable of coming within a half mile at 10,000 ft. altitude in spite of wind, drift, and density.

As long as the locals weren't shooting at them. That widened the CEP by a factor of ten.

135 posted on 10/17/2003 9:09:24 PM PDT by Poohbah ("Would you mind not shooting at the thermonuclear weapons?" -- Major Vic Deakins, USAF)
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To: Brian S
No charges were brought against Union Banking's American directors. The federal government was too busy trying to fight the war, said Donald Goldstein, a professor of public and international affairs at the University of Pittsburgh.

Golly. If the federal government was fighting the war, how did so many seamen, soldiers and Marines get killed and so many bureaucrats not?

136 posted on 10/17/2003 9:28:56 PM PDT by Texas Eagle
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To: SuziQ
Boy, it looks like the AP is having so much trouble finding bad stuff to say about Dubya that they're dragging his Grandaddy into it!!

Notice how they don't mention his father, and the fact that his dad fought in world war 2 against the nazi's allies, the japanese.

137 posted on 10/17/2003 9:54:21 PM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: Howlin
Yep, notice those who hate GW and pose as conservatives on FR never mention the racist Senior Gore and his cozy relationship with Hammer and Occi Pete Oil.
138 posted on 10/17/2003 10:29:14 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (Get a free FR coffee mug! Donate $10 monthly to Free Republic or 34 cents/day!)
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To: Brian S; dennisw
"That the book was published by a Lyndon LaRouche's organization undoubtedly made it easier to dismiss, but does not change the facts."

I don't know about you two, but that there little tid-bit did it for me!!!

What is this "sins of the fathers" bull-roar anyway. Are we playing NYTines like they tried desperately to do to Schwarzenegger?

This is certainly not any kind of "news!" It smells of either a crack-pot agenda or of desperate leftists and it doesn't smell too good.

You have to ask yourselves... who profits from stuff like this? Is it really helpful to anyone? Anyone at all?

Brian, I've enjoyed many of your threads, but this one is more than a little disgusting. You can do better than this in your desire to post "breaking news!" This is not even "news" at all, in my not so humble opinon!

139 posted on 10/17/2003 10:45:54 PM PDT by SierraWasp (Has anyone seen my tagline??? It wasn't to be removed under penalty of LAW!!!)
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To: Brian S
Senator Robert Byrd used to be a KKK member.
140 posted on 10/17/2003 10:47:26 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: SierraWasp
Brian, I've enjoyed many of your threads, but this one is more than a little disgusting. You can do better than this in your desire to post "breaking news!" This is not even "news" at all, in my not so humble opinon!

I submitted this thread because it is bleeding all over the Associated Press wires this PM. I don't select what runs on the wires..."they do".

Here is the latest update, should one search on this topic...

Bush Ancestor's Bank Seized by Gov't
Fort Worth Star Telegram, TX - 2 hours ago
Prescott Bush was one of seven directors of Union Banking Corp., a New York investment
bank owned by a bank controlled by the Thyssen family, according to ...

Bush Ancestor's Bank Seized by Gov't
Duluth News Tribune, MN - 2 hours ago
Prescott Bush was one of seven directors of Union Banking Corp., a New York investment
bank owned by a bank controlled by the Thyssen family, according to ...

Bush Ancestor's Bank Seized by Gov't
Kansas City Star, MO - 2 hours ago
Prescott Bush was one of seven directors of Union Banking Corp., a New York investment
bank owned by a bank controlled by the Thyssen family, according to ...

Bush grandfather director of bank with Hitler ties: US government ...
CBC News, Canada - 5 hours ago
Prescott Bush was one of seven directors of Union Banking Corp., a New York City
investment bank owned by a bank controlled by the Thyssen family, said ...

Bush grandfather director of bank with Hitler ties: US government ...
Canoe News, Canada - 5 hours ago
Prescott Bush was one of seven directors of Union Banking Corp., a New York City
investment bank owned by a bank controlled by the Thyssen family, said ...

Bush grandfather director of bank with Hitler ties: US government ...
CJAD, Canada - 5 hours ago
Prescott Bush was one of seven directors of Union Banking Corp., a New York City
investment bank owned by a bank controlled by the Thyssen family, said ...

Bush's grandfather was director of bank seized by government for ...
Stamford Advocate, CT - 5 hours ago
Prescott Bush, who served as a US senator from Connecticut, was one of seven directors
of Union Banking Corp., a New York investment bank owned by a bank ...

Bush grandfather 's bank seized by Feds in 1942
Raleigh News, NC - 5 hours ago
... Prescott Bush was one of seven directors of Union Banking Corp., a New York investment
bank owned by a bank controlled by the Thyssen family, according to ...

Bush grandfather director of bank with Hitler ties: US government ...
Canada.com, Canada - 5 hours ago
Prescott Bush was one of seven directors of Union Banking Corp., a New York City
investment bank owned by a bank controlled by the Thyssen family, said ...

Bush grandfather director of bank with Hitler ties: US government ...
Canada East, Canada - 5 hours ago
Prescott Bush was one of seven directors of Union Banking Corp., a New York City
investment bank owned by a bank controlled by the Thyssen family, said ...

Bush's grandfather was director of bank seized by government for ...
WTNH, CT - 5 hours ago
Prescott Bush was one of seven directors of Union Banking Corp., a New York investment
bank owned by a bank controlled by the Thyssen family, according to ...

Bush Ancestor's Bank Seized by Gov't
Guardian, UK - 5 hours ago
... Prescott Bush was one of seven directors of Union Banking Corp., a New York investment
bank owned by a bank controlled by the Thyssen family, according to ...

Bush ancestor's bank seized by gov't
Times Picayune, LA - 6 hours ago
... Prescott Bush was one of seven directors of Union Banking Corp., a New York investment
bank owned by a bank controlled by the Thyssen family, according to ...

Documents: Bush's Grandfather Directed Bank Tied to Man Who ...
FOX News - 6 hours ago
... power, government documents show. Prescott Bush (search) was one
of seven directors of Union Banking Corp. (search), a New York ...

Bush Ancestor's Bank Seized by Gov't
Rocky Mount Telegram, NC - 6 hours ago
... Prescott Bush was one of seven directors of Union Banking Corp., a New York investment
bank owned by a bank controlled by the Thyssen family, according to ...

Bush Ancestor's Bank Seized by Gov't
Times Daily, AL - 6 hours ago
... Prescott Bush was one of seven directors of Union Banking Corp., a New York investment
bank owned by a bank controlled by the Thyssen family, according to ...

Bush Ancestor's Bank Seized by Gov't
News Journal, TX - 6 hours ago
... Prescott Bush was one of seven directors of Union Banking Corp., a New York investment
bank owned by a bank controlled by the Thyssen family, according to ...

Bush Ancestor's Bank Seized by Gov't
Atlanta Journal Constitution, GA - 6 hours ago
... Prescott Bush was one of seven directors of Union Banking Corp., a New York investment
bank owned by a bank controlled by the Thyssen family, according to ...

Bush Ancestor's Bank Seized by Gov't
Tuscaloosa News, AL - 6 hours ago
... Prescott Bush was one of seven directors of Union Banking Corp., a New York investment
bank owned by a bank controlled by the Thyssen family, according to ...

Bush Ancestor's Bank Seized by Gov't
Wilmington Morning Star, NC - 6 hours ago
... Prescott Bush was one of seven directors of Union Banking Corp., a New York investment
bank owned by a bank controlled by the Thyssen family, according to ...

Bush Ancestor's Bank Seized by Gov't
Newsday - 6 hours ago
... Prescott Bush was one of seven directors of Union Banking Corp., a New York investment
bank owned by a bank controlled by the Thyssen family, according to ...

141 posted on 10/17/2003 10:52:42 PM PDT by Brian S (" In the United States, armed masses represent the foundation of political order.")
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To: Brian S
Old news

The BREAKING NEWS is ALL POLITICIANS ARE SCUM! the only difference is who will screw US the least...

142 posted on 10/17/2003 10:52:54 PM PDT by ChefKeith (NASCAR...everything else is just a game!)
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To: Wolfstar
I think we should have the first letter "a" removed from the author's last name!!!
143 posted on 10/17/2003 10:54:29 PM PDT by SierraWasp (Has anyone seen my tagline??? It wasn't to be removed under penalty of LAW!!!)
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To: Swordmaker
In other words, a liberal college professor's opinion is that is the reason the American Director's were not prosecuted.

Do we know he's liberal? Overall, the article is not an attack on our current president.

144 posted on 10/17/2003 11:02:49 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: SierraWasp
One might also note that the Canadian version of this AP story uses 'Hitler" in its headline...

I don't regret posting this story...I regret that most can't see the "story, behind the story" so they choose to attack the poster.

Just between you and me...I enjoy the flak. Hit me again and I may fall in love. :)

If you can't take the heat...get outta the kitchen!

145 posted on 10/17/2003 11:03:34 PM PDT by Brian S (" In the United States, armed masses represent the foundation of political order.")
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To: Brian S; Howlin; Sabertooth; Nick Danger; section9; Dog Gone; Lazamataz
It's truly hilarious to watch the left-wing news media morph into the realm of "black helicopters," tin foil hats, and secret college conspiracies.

Ah, the 2004 campaign in a nutshell: the Democrats and the media go into 24/7 smear mode, while the Republicans are the only ones presenting new ideas and a positive Vision.

146 posted on 10/17/2003 11:07:08 PM PDT by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Peach
I have equity in a large insurance agency in New York. Does that mean I know about all their transactions? No, of course not.

Of course not. But what if you were also a broker for their investments, and invested the money in Saddam's Iraq? That comes closer to the situation.

But aside from purely academic historical curiosity, who cares? Probably only liberals grasping for straws.

147 posted on 10/18/2003 12:01:12 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Brian S
The documents do not show any evidence Bush directly aided that effort

So what was the point of this article, except to be a hit piece

148 posted on 10/18/2003 12:05:16 AM PDT by Mo1 (http://www.favewavs.com/wavs/cartoons/spdemocrats.wav)
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To: Brian S
And for AP to move the story on their National wire is, well, odd

Odd??

Nope .. it's obvious what the AP is doing

149 posted on 10/18/2003 12:06:48 AM PDT by Mo1 (http://www.favewavs.com/wavs/cartoons/spdemocrats.wav)
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To: Brian S
Let me guess...Bush's grandfather was also the gay lover of Arnold's dad.

</ridiculous but predicted left wing statement>
150 posted on 10/18/2003 12:08:47 AM PDT by Fledermaus (I'm a conservative...not a Republican.)
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