Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Tech skills pop up in manufacturing
The Dallas Morning News ^ | Sunday, October 12, 2K3 | VICTOR GODINEZ

Posted on 10/14/2003 8:49:55 AM PDT by rdb3


Tech skills pop up in manufacturing

Too few qualified machinists and auto repairers are replacing those who retire, experts say

By VICTOR GODINEZ / The Dallas Morning News

Traditional tech industries are still losing jobs, but experts say technology jobs are popping up in one of the industries hardest hit by the economic slowdown: manufacturing.

"The average age of a machinist in the U.S. is 54. An auto technician is 49," said Tom Applegate, president of the Association for Career and Technical Education ( www.acteonline.org). "Now both of those are highly skilled, highly trained technical jobs. What happens to that profession as they continue to age? Young people aren't necessarily becoming machinists.

"We clearly have some options, and one of those options is to outsource to other countries, but that really doesn't help our economy."

Tom Applegate of the Association for Career and Technical Education says demand is growing for technical workers in the manufacturing sector.

Mr. Applegate and others say that technical workers are in demand even though more than 2 million manufacturing jobs have been lost over the last few years.

Phyllis Eisen, vice president of the manufacturing institute at the National Association of Manufacturers, said a 2001 survey found that almost 80 percent of manufacturers were having trouble finding qualified employees, even though the slowdown was already under way.

A little over a year ago, the association set up a Web site called www.GetTech.org, devoted to educating young people about technical careers in the manufacturing field.

Ms. Eisen said the perception of manufacturing as a nontechnical field is outdated.

Wrong picture

"Young people don't want to go into manufacturing," she said. "They think it's dark, dirty, a dead end – it's in decline. It's an ugly picture of the way young adults, students, parents and teachers think about the manufacturing world. Go on a modern manufacturing floor, and it's like Star Wars. The problem is that no one ever goes," she said.

Not all manufacturers were flattened by the recession, she added.

"There are many industries that were doing just fine: the glass manufacturers, anyone involved with plumbing equipment, anyone involved with houses," Ms. Eisen said.

Housing is one of the strongest areas of demand for tech people, Mr. Applegate said.

"Think of drafting people – people who use blueprints," he said. "They don't use drafting tables anymore. Now it's done with CAD-CAM, computer-aided design and computer-aided manufacturing."

He also cited welding as an increasingly technical profession that's short of workers.

College-bound

Part of the reason there is a shortage is that many high school grads are determined to pursue college degrees.

But after they graduate, they don't have the specific technical skills that manufacturing firms want, Mr. Applegate said.

In 1968, "about 20 percent of the jobs required a baccalaureate degree," he said. "In 2003, about 20 percent of the jobs require a baccalaureate degree. We're enamored of a degree that doesn't really pay."

Mr. Applegate, who is also executive dean at Austin Community College, said schools such as his provide the hands-on tech training that manufacturers want.

Ms. Eisen said the association is preparing a pilot program for 2004 to educate people about technical careers in manufacturing.

She said data show that by 2020, the country will face a shortage of 13 million to 15 million skilled, technical workers in all industries.

"How much of that is manufacturing, we don't know yet," she said. "But manufacturing's percentage of the workforce is about 15 percent, and that may be close to what we need."

E-mail vgodinez@dallasnews.com


Online at: http://jobcenter.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/careers/workingnews/101203ccCareersTechmain.1a7d2094.html


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: manufacturing; tech
Really?


1 posted on 10/14/2003 8:49:55 AM PDT by rdb3
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: Southack; Poohbah; Texas_Dawg
Heads up.


2 posted on 10/14/2003 8:56:24 AM PDT by rdb3 (Whoever said progress is a slow process wasn't talking about me. I'm an N-U-P-E.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: All
SHOW YOUR PRIDE! SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC!

Donate Here By Secure Server

Or mail checks to
FreeRepublic , LLC
PO BOX 9771
FRESNO, CA 93794

or you can use

PayPal at Jimrob@psnw.com

STOP BY AND BUMP THE FUNDRAISER THREAD-
It is in the breaking news sidebar!


3 posted on 10/14/2003 8:58:09 AM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: rdb3
I've been saying this for years. Everybody wants a corner office and a six-figure salary -- but that can't happen (not enough corners). America has a stigma against "blue collar" jobs and its a shame.

Carpentry isn't going to off-shored. Auto mechanics aren't going away. We don't send our masonry work to China. Our houses won't be contructed in Bangalore.

There really are many good (fun and well-paying) jobs in America, and they aren't going anywhere. But, if everyone tries to be a web-designer they will end up flipping burgers and complaining that their skills are no good.

4 posted on 10/14/2003 9:08:23 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (France delenda est)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: rdb3
Fatherless boys...dont grow up working on cars, motorcycles, lawn mowers or go carts...

High Schools dont replace their antiquated machine shops with new equipment...or even spend as much money as they do on
New drama departments..
5 posted on 10/14/2003 9:16:57 AM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: ClearCase_guy
I've been saying this for years. Everybody wants a corner office and a six-figure salary -- but that can't happen (not enough corners). America has a stigma against "blue collar" jobs .........

Another reason dumbocRATs hate "blue collar" workers, is many of them eventually turn into Republicans. When they see more and more of their pay going into taxes for "pet programs' like health care, welfare, social security, etc., they decide that the RAT party has it all wrong.

I have witnessed this with several of the people I work with. They were libs from day one, but after seeing their hard earned money going into taxes, they switched party affiliation.

6 posted on 10/14/2003 9:20:21 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (I am ashamed the dixie chicks are from Texas!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: rdb3
Fatherless boys...dont grow up working on cars, motorcycles, lawn mowers or go carts...

High Schools dont replace their antiquated machine shops with new equipment...or even spend as much money as they do on
New drama departments..

Tech schools waste more resources teaching remedial reading, math and science to those who didnt bother to study in High School and now have no basic skills or job skills...
So they get grants to go back to high school at the tech schools
7 posted on 10/14/2003 9:21:03 AM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: rdb3
In 1968, "about 20 percent of the jobs required a baccalaureate degree," he said. "In 2003, about 20 percent of the jobs require a baccalaureate degree. We're enamored of a degree that doesn't really pay."

---------------------------

Now, masters degrees are demanded, like Bush has. Masters certifiations exist on toilet paper rolls. There are more people with Ph.D.s than there were BS degrees during the '50s.

I'm retired now. In addition to having done graduate work at several major universities, I am an instrument level machinist at the Swiss level of precision as well as a design engineer. You can wipe your behand with machining skills in this country. The pompous MBAs in charge believe you are a second class citizen who shouldn't bet paid anything.

8 posted on 10/14/2003 9:31:22 AM PDT by RLK
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: rdb3
In 1968, "about 20 percent of the jobs required a baccalaureate degree," he said. "In 2003, about 20 percent of the jobs require a baccalaureate degree. We're enamored of a degree that doesn't really pay."

---------------------------

Now, masters degrees are demanded, like Bush has. Masters certifiations exist on toilet paper rolls. There are more people with Ph.D.s than there were BS degrees during the '50s.

I'm retired now. In addition to having done graduate work at several major universities, I am an instrument level machinist at the Swiss level of precision as well as a design engineer. You can wipe your behind with machining skills in this country. The pompous MBAs in charge believe you are a second class citizen who shouldn't bet paid anything.

9 posted on 10/14/2003 9:32:06 AM PDT by RLK
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: rdb3
In 1968, "about 20 percent of the jobs required a baccalaureate degree," he said. "In 2003, about 20 percent of the jobs require a baccalaureate degree. We're enamored of a degree that doesn't really pay."

---------------------------

Now, masters degrees are demanded, like Bush has. Masters certifiations exist on toilet paper rolls. There are more people with Ph.D.s than there were BS degrees during the '50s.

I'm retired now. In addition to having done graduate work at several major universities, I am an instrument level machinist at the Swiss level of precision as well as a design engineer. You can wipe your behind with machining skills in this country. The pompous MBAs in charge believe you are a second class citizen who shouldn't bet paid anything.

10 posted on 10/14/2003 9:33:15 AM PDT by RLK
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

Locator.
11 posted on 10/14/2003 9:47:19 AM PDT by Vigilantcitizen (For all that holy coach Reeves......We have two really good runningbacks...RUN THE DAMN BALL)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: rdb3
I dunno about the rest of the country but here in Vegas and Kingamn AZ the same things can be said about journeymen in all phases of construction.
There are very few people who have all the skills needed to qualify as a top notch mason, finish carpenter, tinknocker, ect, etc.
12 posted on 10/14/2003 10:23:32 AM PDT by winodog
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: ClearCase_guy
maybe one reason why they get college first is they see that some factory jobs go away and you need education to take care of the future. If most people are going to have two or three careers, then they need to know more than drafting or how to program a saw.
13 posted on 10/14/2003 10:38:42 AM PDT by q_an_a
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: q_an_a
At heart, I think the problem is the belief that a job like software developer is fundamentally different from a job like machinist.

You can have a nice career programming in FORTRAN -- until they want you to learn C. That's a new skill, and tough for some people to learn. But, if you bear down, you can learn C, and have another nice career in programming -- until they want you to learn Java. Now, we're talking Object-Oriented programming and a lot of people just never grasp it. But maybe you can learn it -- until the next language comes along.

Not to beat a dead horse, but you can be a good Sys Admin in UNIX, but if your company switches to Windows with Active Directory, you have a lot to learn. Do you go back to college? Nope. You learn it on the job.

If a machinist finds his skills becoming outmoded, does he have to change careers? Go to college? I don't think so. I think college is one way to give people job skills -- but vocational education, with on-the-job training is probably more effective for a whole lot of careers (both blue collar and white collar).

14 posted on 10/14/2003 11:02:10 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (France delenda est)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: ClearCase_guy
vocational education, with on-the-job training is probably more effective for a whole lot of careers (both blue collar and white collar).

------------------------------------

But who gets the promotions, the tech school graduate or the MBA? Graduating from a tech school is viewed as a stigmata the same as being an enl;isted man in the army. The chances are .001 of becoming major.

15 posted on 10/14/2003 11:10:09 AM PDT by RLK
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: RLK
I completely agree. My father was a design engineer (I note that you were also one) and had a mechanical engineering degree from Stevens Institute. He had several dozen patents and was extemely accomplished within his profession. At heart, he was a machinist and he always maintained that it was impossible to create good designs without thoroughly understanding the manufacturing process.

His companies always wanted to boost him up to management (where the big bucks are), but he wanted to stay "technical" and never got the money he deserved -- until he became an independent contractor and setup his own company.

Companies don't understand (and certainly don't reward) the people who really make the wheels turn. The bean counters get the bucks -- but they create Enrons as often as they create Microsoft. The guys doing the work are often stigmatized because, well, they're (ugh!) workers.

16 posted on 10/14/2003 12:06:20 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (France delenda est)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: ClearCase_guy
While I think you make ten or twelve excellent comments, one thing I learned a long time ago about college; the point of college is rarely to teach a person a trade but to teach them how to learn.

The exceptions are careers like doctor, lawyer, engineer and some other fields, but many famous people have a business or a history degree from a small college that taught them to think. I do not think you must have a degree to do that but some people can't learn to learn without the 4 years of discipline.

Your point and mine will be where people have so many problems in the future, will they learn on the job or will they choose a learning institution ot start them? That will be the challenge of education, not how to teach but how to explain the purpose of their school...voEd or college.

17 posted on 10/14/2003 5:12:38 PM PDT by q_an_a
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: All

Click Here for the RadioFR website!

Tonight on Radio FreeRepublic!

8pm/5pm - Chuck Muth Interviews Lori Waters from the Eagle Forum!

10pm/7pm - Tom Adkins is ON FIRE! If you have never listened to Tom, don't miss his show tonight and watch Tom slice and dice liberals! Tom has been called a cross between Rush Limbaugh and Mike Savage and his shows are always intertaining and informative!

Click HERE to listen LIVE while you FReep! HIFI broadband feed HERE! (when available)

Would you like to receive a note when RadioFR is on the air? Send an email to radiofreerepublic-subscribe@radioactive.kicks-ass.net!

Click HERE to chat in the RadioFR chat room!


18 posted on 10/14/2003 5:12:54 PM PDT by Bob J
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: ClearCase_guy
My experience was in CAD/CAM, specifically in I.C. layout design. Where did I go to get my initial training in this field? From companies that needed people and were willing to train newcomers. When I started out the standard procedure was to find new people who expressed interest in the field, give them an apititude test, then spend a couple of months training them before sending them into the lab to start drawing things.

My motto at the time was "anything that someone is willing to pay me to learn is something worth learning". That motto served me well for years. Nowadays this is no longer done, the companies just help themselves to a fresh heap of FOB (Fresh Off the Boat) engineers and put them to work. I can't help but think that we have lost something good because of this trend. If I had not had the opportunity to get into I.C. design when I did, who knows where I might have ended up? Probably in some dead-end clerk job, or flipping burgers. The kids of today are just screwed.
19 posted on 10/14/2003 5:22:03 PM PDT by Elliott Jackalope (We send our kids to Iraq to fight for them, and they send our jobs to India. Now THAT'S gratitude!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson