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Why the Democrats don't need an overhaul
The Los Angeles Times ^ | December 11, 2016 | David Greenberg

Posted on 12/11/2016 5:59:24 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

Until Nov. 8, everyone talked as if the presidential election would hinge on smallest incident: a killer ad, a fatal gaffe, an October surprise. But now, in the emerging conventional wisdom, tactics are suddenly deemed unimportant, as we rush to propound big theories about What It All Means. We now hear that Donald Trump’s victory — which he is calling, preposterously, a landslide — was the result of the grand tide of history, a thundering declaration of Vox Populi: Identity politics is dead. Populism is ascendant. #WhiteWorkersMatter. The people want change.

The Democratic Party, without question, has lessons to learn and adjustments to make to win next time. But to interpret Hillary Clinton’s loss as a wipe-out by an inexorable tide instead of what it actually was — a contingent loss that could easily have gone the other way — risks prescribing a cure for the party that would be worse than the disease.

Trump’s gains among the white working class have convinced many Democratic leaders and pundits that the party now has to run hard to the populist left if it is ever to win again. Signs are everywhere. Rep. Keith Ellison — one of the party’s most left-wing members in Congress, one of a handful to endorse Sen. Bernie Sanders for president — remains the favorite for Democratic National Committee chair. House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, nobody’s idea of a centrist, had to withstand a challenge for her post by Tim Ryan, a minor congressman from Ohio, who pushed his flyover cred and jobs, jobs, jobs....

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Campaign News; Issues; Parties; State and Local
KEYWORDS: 114th; agenda; democrats; dnc; dncstrategy; hillary; trump; trumptransition; whistlepastgraveyard; whites
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1 posted on 12/11/2016 5:59:24 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Sure, sure, feel free to ignore how shaky a candidate Trump was. Just imagine a rational and articulate exponent of Trumpism - such a candidate would have won every state except California and New York.


2 posted on 12/11/2016 6:01:48 PM PST by proxy_user
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Liberals are never wrong, according to them. Let’s hope they remain convinced.


3 posted on 12/11/2016 6:03:47 PM PST by SaxxonWoods (Ride To The Sound Of The Guns)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The RAT party is, simply, a very large collection of clinical sociopaths.... who are incapable of learning. They’re literally a wasp hive.


4 posted on 12/11/2016 6:06:58 PM PST by txhurl (Chode: a word about taglines)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I believe Trump’s ideas are good and will bear fruit.
I believe Trump will bypass the media and be able to tell most Americans, “Here is the proof that my ideas work.”

Four years from now, more voters will be thinking, “Less government control and more law and order are what I’m looking for.”


5 posted on 12/11/2016 6:07:51 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (Abortion is what slavery was: immoral but not illegal. Not yet.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I am so glad that David Greenberg, the LAT, NYT, ABC, CBS, etc. has missed the big picture. What might that be democrats?

That all of your elected officials could fit in a phone booth.

ESAD David.

5.56mm


6 posted on 12/11/2016 6:09:37 PM PST by M Kehoe
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

They are losing their ass off...

Stay the course!


7 posted on 12/11/2016 6:13:01 PM PST by BeauBo
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
During both the Clinton and Obama administrations, GDP climbed, unemployment fell and deficits shrank.

Yeah, there's only one problem here - the deficit grew to $20 trillion under Zero. Kinda problematic when the author doesn't even get the basic facts right.

As I keep posting on these post mortem threads - the Democrats need to be loud and be proud, and take a hard left turn. Be open and honest about it. Go with your gut and go left. It's what everyone wants. I'm just sure that that's the road to electoral success.

8 posted on 12/11/2016 6:18:15 PM PST by Hardastarboard (Freedom Trumps Fascism)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Let us fervently hope that the DNC and its operatives have total faith in the likes of Daniel Greenberg. If so they will guarantee a generation of center-right governance in the US.
9 posted on 12/11/2016 6:19:56 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Let us fervently hope that the DNC and its operatives have total faith in the likes of David Greenberg. If so they will guarantee a generation of center-right governance in the US.
10 posted on 12/11/2016 6:20:22 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Hardastarboard

Under Obama GDP climbed anemically.


11 posted on 12/11/2016 6:22:09 PM PST by jospehm20
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

My 1976 Pinto doesn’t need an overhaul either, and for the exact same reason.


12 posted on 12/11/2016 6:22:52 PM PST by lafroste (Look at my profile page. Thanks.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

>>But to interpret Hillary Clinton’s loss as a wipe-out by an inexorable tide instead of what it actually was — a contingent loss that could easily have gone the other way — risks prescribing a cure for the party that would be worse than the disease.<<

PLEASE, democrat party, PLEASE take this advice! You already have a great start making pelosi kleader again. I say you KEEP doing what you did to get you here!

PLEASE!!!


13 posted on 12/11/2016 6:22:53 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Good morning President Trump)
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To: Hardastarboard

Exactly correct! The DNC had all the right ideas, ideals this cycle, just the wrong candidate. Preserve your platform and try again with a Casto Bro! It will work this time!


14 posted on 12/11/2016 6:28:21 PM PST by txhurl (Chode: a word about taglines)
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A candidate with the personality and media skill of Reagan, combined with Trump’s platform and social media dominance would have won every state except NY and CA.


15 posted on 12/11/2016 6:31:48 PM PST by bereanrabbi
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The more liberals want to turn America into a sort of facsist, pseudo-Europe, the more Europeans are realizing they should be more like Trump's America.

American liberals have their 'logic' twisted into Gordian knots.

16 posted on 12/11/2016 6:39:04 PM PST by Bullish
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

They don’t need an overhaul. Everything is fine. Just fine...

(wink, wink)


17 posted on 12/11/2016 6:40:01 PM PST by BoomerBill (Keep America beautiful - deport a liberal.)
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To: proxy_user
Sure, sure, feel free to ignore how shaky a candidate Trump was. Just imagine a rational and articulate exponent of Trumpism - such a candidate would have won every state except California and New York.

Really?

Throughout my life, I have *never* seen a conservative candidate that would meet the standards of the mainstream media (MSM). Without exception, the MSM paints every conservative as racist, sexist, bigot, homophobe, etc. It is a standard litany.

Unfortunately, almost every Republican that runs crumples the first time the media criticizes him. All of a sudden, he is unsure, nervous, wondering if maybe he really is too extreme--then he becomes apologetic and timid. And we have lost a lot of good candidates that way.

I cannot "ignore how shaky" Trump was, because I don't see him that way. I see him as bold, as a man who understands that the MSM reflexively paints *every* conservative as too radical and extreme, and he isn't kowtowing to them. He is unapologetic. He doesn't just roll over and accept the narrative they construct over him. The media has gone over-the-top crazy with the ad hominem attacks, and he is fighting back.

If Trump were the same kind of milquetoast conservative that usually runs, he could have espoused the exact same policies but we would have president-elect Hillary right now. And she would complete the destruction of the US that Obama started.

18 posted on 12/11/2016 6:40:14 PM PST by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: txhurl

“They’re literally a wasp hive.”

That’s really a good analogy, it fits them in more ways than one.


19 posted on 12/11/2016 6:47:11 PM PST by redfreedom (The nation has been saved. Thank you Dear Lord. Long live President Trump!)
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To: redfreedom

I’ve learned through working amongst sociopaths that they seek each other out; they are a sub-species of human.


20 posted on 12/11/2016 6:52:54 PM PST by txhurl (Chode: a word about taglines)
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