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Cruz counters Trump’s overtures with targeted approach in Iowa
The Belleville News Democrat ^ | January 30, 2016 | Jonathan Martin and Matt Flegenheimer, NYT News Service and the Assoc. Press

Posted on 01/30/2016 2:50:36 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: Protect the Bill of Rights

My post 51 matches the video exactly. It shows the correct context for the Trump’s comments. The context was NOT about “Dr. Carson’s religious conversion”.


81 posted on 01/30/2016 6:43:51 PM PST by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marilyn vos Savant)
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights

Briebart has the quotes out of order. Watch the video and see for yourself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQPmEq30WtE


82 posted on 01/30/2016 6:51:56 PM PST by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marilyn vos Savant)
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To: Aria

Unless you scored an A, right? If I received a grade report like that for my street, I’d be embarrassed, concerned, and disappointed. Would probably move. Don’t want to be around folks who are part of the problem instead of the solution.


83 posted on 01/30/2016 7:09:54 PM PST by Up Yours Marxists
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To: dynoman; annieokie
That's rich considering you made the same accusation against me and I called you on it.

I don't always get it right. I should have put the hot link in my first post instead of referencing Briebart. Sometimes I get my facts wrong, but not here.

You should have asked me for my source before challenging the truth of what I posted or beforeb accusing others of manipulating a story to push a lie.

84 posted on 01/30/2016 7:20:21 PM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights (We can all be Twitter bullies! Trump does it, so it's okay!!)
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights
What's rich is there is nothing on the video about Carson's religion. Nothing.

Your post quoted below is wrong. I don't know if that is from Briebart but it is wrong and does not match the video;
He goes into a bathroom, comes out and now he's religious. And the people of Iowa believe him. Give me a break. Give me a break. It doesn't happen that way. Don't be fools. How stupid are the people of Iowa? How stupid are the people of the country to believe this crap?

85 posted on 01/30/2016 7:33:26 PM PST by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marilyn vos Savant)
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights
Put another way Trump did not say this...

How stupid are the people of Iowa? How stupid are the people of the country to believe this crap?

...in reference to Carson's religion. He said it about the stabbing the belt story. If he thought Iowans and the rest of us were stupid why does he say over and over at rallies in Iowa and everywhere else that people are "really smart" and "get it"??
86 posted on 01/30/2016 7:40:00 PM PST by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marilyn vos Savant)
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To: annieokie

Trump invited Dubuque kids to 'run through the plane' - and so they did. — Michael Finnegan (@finneganLAT) January 30, 2016



87 posted on 01/30/2016 8:01:32 PM PST by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marilyn vos Savant)
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To: BigEdLB

I’m always angry at blue-state, big-city, elite, urban liberals. It doesn’t matter what day it is.


88 posted on 01/30/2016 8:13:58 PM PST by JediJones ("How stupid are the people of Iowa?" -Donald Trump, November 12, 2015)
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To: dynoman
I just watched the actual video. Trump does not understand why Carson is second in the polls and did what Trump does best, he attacks Carson's character.

In that context he discusses the event of the knife incident.

You are correct in one sense. He said "How stupid are the people of Iowa? How stupid are the people of the country to believe this crap?" after he told the first part of the story, a knife breaking when Carson stabbed someone."

After questioning the truth of this and earlier events in Carson's life he goes back to the story:

So he's saying is that series of events. And he goes into the bathroom for a couple of hours and he comes out now he is religious. And the people of Iowa believe him. Give me a me a break, give me a break it doesn't happen that way. It doesn't happen that way. And some people might not like it 'oh that's not nice what you say' Don't be fools. Don't be fools, okay. "

So yes. He did say Iowans and the people of the country are not only stupid to believe this crap , he calls them fools.

He would have us believe Carson a liar because finding God does not happen that way. Trump did not use the word liar, but if it doesn't happen that way, what other conclusion is there? Carson lied.

I find that much more troublesome than calling someone stupid or a fool. Name calling his his thing, after all. Saying "It doesn't happen that way" tells me more about his moral compass than anything. This is what he thinks of someone's spiritual journey. If it is not done the way Trump thinks it is done, it is a false witness? Can you defend it or excuse it? Do you believe him when he tells Evangelicals he is on their side?

Nothing I posted was out of context. Not earlier, not now. These are his words and this is the context. Say what you will, but I did not take anything out of context and twist it around to make a point.

89 posted on 01/31/2016 12:11:27 PM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights (We can all be Twitter bullies! Trump does it, so it's okay!!)
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights
You tied this;

"How stupid are the people of Iowa? How stupid are the people of the country to believe this crap?"

to Carson's religion. That is incorrect.

Here's the post;


To: annieokie
To expand on your earlier point :)

How stupid are the people of Iowa? How stupid are the people of the country to believe this crap?

In this instance the context was Dr Carson's religious conversion (From Briebart. )

In his biography, Carson has written about finding God after one of his violent outbursts, and doing so while sitting alone for hours in a bathroom. Trump wasn't buying it, and appeared to attack as "fools" and "stupid" voters who have, specifically Iowa voters:

Anyone in Iowa or the whole damned country is stupid to believe a man who told of the night he found God. This is how he wins. It turns my stomach because Trump has no boundaries.

65 posted on 01/30/2016 4:07:01 PM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights (We can all be Twitter bullies! Trump does it, so it's okay!!)



"In this instance the context was Dr Carson's religious conversion (From Briebart. )"

Both you and bribart were wrong. It was about the belt buckle story. And now that you have watched the video you should know that.
90 posted on 01/31/2016 12:38:51 PM PST by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marilyn vos Savant)
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To: dynoman
Not beating a dead horse. I was looking for the link to the video, read your response again. Did not want to let it stand without rebuttal.

You want to argue words, fine. I already said you were right. I conceded the word stupid was used after the knife part of the story. I did not take it out if context to prove a point. I relied on Breibart's story. You won.

There is more to the story. Trump talked about what happened after that. Trumps words, not mine, not Breibart's:

"...So he's saying is that series of events. And he goes into the bathroom for a couple of hours and he comes out now he is religious. And the people of Iowa believe him. Give me a break, give me a break it doesn't happen that way. It doesn't happen that way. And some people might not like it 'oh that's not nice what you say' Don't be fools. Don't be fools, okay. "

FOOL -- a person who acts unwisely or imprudently; a silly person.

synonyms
idiot, ass, blockhead, dunce, dolt, ignoramus, imbecile, cretin, dullard, simpleton, moron, clod

"Don't be a fool."

Again you are right. He did not say Iowans are Iowans stupid if they believe Carson's account of his "Come to Jesus" moment. He did say don't be a fool (idiot, ass, blockhead, dunce, dolt, ignoramus, imbecile, cretin, dullard, simpleton, moron, clod) because according to "The Gospel According to Trump." (MY words) it doesn't happen that way.

My interpretation is based on what he said. I have a problem with anyone claiming to know how these moments do or do not happen and considered a fool if I believe Carson's account.

91 posted on 02/04/2016 7:11:00 AM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights

“My interpretation”

OK.


92 posted on 02/04/2016 7:12:26 AM PST by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marilyn vos Savant)
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