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Ben Carson implosion isn't good news for Republican elites. It's good news for Trump.
Vox ^ | November 6, 2015 | dylan

Posted on 11/06/2015 3:46:17 PM PST by entropy12

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To: HamiltonJay

So true. The Carson supporters are falling off that wagon. Trump is the one likely to gain the most.

Carson is a good man. He just has no chance against hillary.


81 posted on 11/06/2015 9:05:04 PM PST by boycott
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To: Jeff Head

I have worked in American industry for 25 years and a US government funded research outfit for 15 years. I have seen the problems first hand. I understand why 94 million American citizens are not working. I know why the middle class is more stressed now than ever since the great depression.

And the reasons are.... American businesses moving manufacturing to cheap labor countries. Those are middle class jobs. That would be OK, if those foreign countries were doing fair and balanced trade with us. And the other very big problem is American businesses want to import cheaper workers from abroad, LEGALLY, with H1-B visa’s, and expansion of LEGAL immigrant numbers, to further reduce labor costs and increase profits.

Nothing illegal or unconstitutional to increase profits, but not on the bodies of American citizens.

Your man Cruz is pushing for both above agenda because he has no choice. He can not survive in the race without his rich donors. I am sure he does not want to harm American citizens, but that is exactly what is happening with him pushing for the cheap labor express. Here it is in his own words..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHlGlNwsQb0

If businesses want to export manufacturing to Pacific countries or Mexico, that is OK. But then they can not be allowed to dump those foreign made products in our country without any penalty. If we have balanced trade with Mexico, there is no problem. But we don’t. Only Trump understands this problem, and can actually do something because he has no rich donors ordering him what to do.


82 posted on 11/06/2015 9:05:28 PM PST by entropy12 (DEPORT ALL ILLEGALS or it is Amnesty! Only Trump has no rich donors pushing for cheap labor express)
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To: boycott

Carson never stood a chance, politics is blood sport and while clearly intelligent and driven as any surgeon must be, he’s not remotely ready for prime time.

He got a moment in the sun as the non Trump non insider but that was about it.

The real people who need to be stopped are the Rubios and Jebs of this world and as much as I Like Cruz on many things his support of H1B expansion shows the same puppet masters have their hooks into him as well.


83 posted on 11/06/2015 9:09:29 PM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: entropy12

To this point Carson has handled this quite well. Trump siding with the left wing press could really hurt him.


84 posted on 11/06/2015 9:11:07 PM PST by Mike Darancette (CA the sanctuary state for stupid.)
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To: erod

There is no guarantee that one man, or woman, the president, can unilaterally stop anything. But since all candidates except trump are pushing the cheap labor express, going with them will certainly exacerbate the problem. With Trump there is at least hope. With others, further degradation of middle class, who does the real work in the economy, is metaphysical certainty.


85 posted on 11/06/2015 9:13:02 PM PST by entropy12 (DEPORT ALL ILLEGALS or it is Amnesty! Only Trump has no rich donors pushing for cheap labor express)
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To: Mike Darancette

Only time will tell! And first primary is less than 100 days away!


86 posted on 11/06/2015 9:14:21 PM PST by entropy12 (DEPORT ALL ILLEGALS or it is Amnesty! Only Trump has no rich donors pushing for cheap labor express)
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To: Jeff Head
In essence, an appointment is a full ride scholarship...but it is different because it requires a senatorial/congressional backing. But he never went that far...at all.

The reason Carson declined the offer was that it was in fact not a full ride scholarship, but was more in the nature of a hard to break employment contract — you get a free college education plus a stipend in return for committing to five years on active duty as an Army officer. That conflicted with Carson's goal of becoming a doctor. He needed to be in med school after college, not on active duty. Hence, he declined the offer in favor of Yale, and the paperwork never got initiated.

Small rodent minds quibble over the meaning of "scholarship", "offer", etc., in order to back up unjustified headlines, which they hope will influence the low-information pukes.

87 posted on 11/06/2015 9:21:58 PM PST by cynwoody
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To: jwalsh07
The academies advertise full scholarships and when I spoke to the US Merchant Marine Academy in 1968 that is the language they used.

True (at least for West Point).


88 posted on 11/06/2015 9:32:05 PM PST by cynwoody
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To: Red Steel

Wow, poor ol’ Bush, he’s been demoted into Kasich territory.


89 posted on 11/06/2015 9:50:01 PM PST by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: entropy12
Read the second to the last page on the West Point prospectus at

http://www.westpoint.edu/admissions/shared%20documents/wp_prospectus.pdf

IT STATES:

ADMISSIONS DECISIONS

West Point has a rolling admissions policy. Outstanding, qualified, nominated candidates will be offered admission as their records become complete. All admissions files must be complete, to include nominations, by the last workday in February.

Financial and Service Obligation

As a cadet, you are a member of the U.S. Army and receive a full scholarship and an annual salary of more than $10,000 from which you pay for your uniforms, textbooks, a laptop computer, and incidentals. There is no tuition charge, but there is a requirement for an initial deposit. Room, board, and medical and dental care are provided by the United States Government.

90 posted on 11/06/2015 10:11:21 PM PST by celmak (GO TED CRUZ !!!)
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To: HamiltonJay

I am still in awe that the media and certain groups made him a competitive candidate. It really hasn’t been much because of anything he has said or done. I hope he starts to fade away from the scene. I just don’t believe he would be a good president and he hasn’t given me enough reasons to believe he would be.


91 posted on 11/06/2015 10:27:48 PM PST by boycott
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To: flaglady47
Carson is nor lying. Read the second to the last page on the West Point prospectus at

http://www.westpoint.edu/admissions/shared%20documents/wp_prospectus.pdf

IT STATES:

ADMISSIONS DECISIONS

West Point has a rolling admissions policy. Outstanding, qualified, nominated candidates will be offered admission as their records become complete. All admissions files must be complete, to include nominations, by the last workday in February.

Financial and Service Obligation

As a cadet, you are a member of the U.S. Army and receive a full scholarship and an annual salary of more than $10,000 from which you pay for your uniforms, textbooks, a laptop computer, and incidentals. There is no tuition charge, but there is a requirement for an initial deposit. Room, board, and medical and dental care are provided by the United States Government.

92 posted on 11/06/2015 10:48:21 PM PST by celmak (GO TED CRUZ !!!)
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To: celmak

Thank you for that post. I will use your info in other threads, if it is Ok with you.


93 posted on 11/06/2015 10:51:32 PM PST by entropy12 (DEPORT ALL ILLEGALS or it is Amnesty! Only Trump has no rich donors pushing for cheap labor express)
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To: entropy12

$5. I take Visa or Mastercard - NO AMERICAN EXPRESS!


94 posted on 11/06/2015 10:57:53 PM PST by celmak (GO TED CRUZ !!!)
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To: celmak

I only have American Express! I get refused in many cheap restaurants with AmExp. But very few good restaurants and hotel refuse. Their fees must be higher.


95 posted on 11/06/2015 11:03:03 PM PST by entropy12 (DEPORT ALL ILLEGALS or it is Amnesty! Only Trump has no rich donors pushing for cheap labor express)
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To: boycott; All



Dr. Ben Carson ... QUIT PLAYING EGO GAMES ... and ACT like you're "Presidential Material".



Under "normal" circumstances with "decent" people and a "moral news media" Congress and the Senate would be filled with 535 "Dr. Ben Carson" types.

That would be a good thing.

But that's not reality.



Dr. Ben Carson (once he accomplished his first surgeries) has been "coddled" ... for both his accomplishments and because he's black ... sorry, that's the TRUTH ...

so Dr. Ben Carson has been wandering around saying whatever he wants, whatever comes into his mind, "whatever" ...

and that is NOT how a 2016 U.S. Presidential Campaign is successfully operated.

Period.



This whole "Mannatech, Westpoint and Pyramids" sequence should be a DAMNED wake-up call for what I suspect is an arrogant (I'm the smartest guy in the room) Dr. Ben Carson.

Being U.S. President is NOT about a person's ego ...

Rather, it's like being a U.S. Marine Sniper at Falujia ... where EVERY shot MUST be a "kill" ...

or your buddies DIE.


Dr. Ben Carson ... QUIT PLAYING EGO GAMES ... and ACT like you're "Presidential Material".


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96 posted on 11/07/2015 5:05:51 AM PST by Patton@Bastogne
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To: boycott

There is a pretty simple calculus that applies to the Presidency that Carson does not pass (many actually, but this one is the most basic). To become President you must want it, truly want it with every fiber of your being.

Carson doesn’t pass this basic test. He won’t be the President and if he by some craziness is the nominee he will be pasted in a way that will make McGovern and Dukakis look like they had good showings.


97 posted on 11/07/2015 5:52:40 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: entropy12

:-)


98 posted on 11/07/2015 9:00:03 AM PST by celmak (GO TED CRUZ !!!)
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To: bigtoona; All
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That's what I keep sayin' ... and WHY I've predicted that Ben Carson will be polling single digits by Christmas 2015 ...

Nice guy ... but certainly a lousy "Conservative" ...



The thought just occurred to me, if the GOPe-Bush-Rubio-Kasisch-RINO-Hillary crowd wanted to "coerce-shame" the Republican Conservative candidates (Ted, Cruz, Donald Trump) ...

to support:

1) Citizenship for 15 million illegal Mexican immigrants

2) Soft on Second Amendment gun rights

3) Becoming "best friends" with Al Sharpton and the Black Lives Matter movement

4) Puerto Rico statehood (two automatic Democratic Senators for the next 100 years)

5) SPLIT the Tea Party Christian Evangelical vote 35/35/35 between Ted Cruz / Huckabee / Ben Carson

6) "Stealth Engagement" of the Democratic Party LGBT folks to "severely disrupt" the GOP Presidential Primaries to HELP Yeb Bush and Marco Rubio


... what better way than to "plant-fund" and inflate polling data for a WONDERFUL ...

(no criticism allowed) Black Medical Doctor (with a very big ego) ?



Would such a plan even be imagined ? "Nope"

Would such a plan even be possible ? "Nope"

Would such a plan even be planned and executed ? "Nope"

Would such a plan include a Hollywood Movie ("Gifted Hands") promoting (years in advance) the "compassionate Savior" of the Republican Party ? "Nope"



/sarcasm-off



You're invited to check-out these Bold Political Predictions ...

GOP 2016 Predictions : Ben Carson at 7.5 % by Christmas -- Yeb Bush Waterloo in Florida Defeat !

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3356989/posts


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99 posted on 11/07/2015 4:26:51 PM PST by Patton@Bastogne
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