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Top Democrat warns against using term 'illegal immigrants'
The Washington Times ^ | February 5, 2013 | Stephen Dinan

Posted on 02/05/2013 4:23:35 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

Opening the first immigration hearing of the new Congress, the top Democrat on the Judiciary Committee warned his colleagues not to use the term "illegal immigrant" as the debate goes on.

"I hope no one uses the term illegal immigrants here today. Our citizens are not — the people in this country are not illegal. They are are out of status. They are new Americans that are immigrants," said Rep. John Conyers Jr., Michigan Democrat.

As Congress begins the immigration debate, both sides are preparing for an emotionally charged fight, and language will be one of the battlegrounds.

Many immigrant-rights advocates object to the terms "illegal" and "alien," saying that people cannot be deemed illegal, and that the word "alien" makes them sound inhuman. They argue the better terms are "undocumented migrants."

Many newspapers, including The Washington Times, use the phrase "illegal immigrant," deeming it the most accurate description...

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Michigan; Issues; Parties; U.S. Congress
KEYWORDS: amnesty; congress; democrats; illegalaliens; illegalimmigration; immigration; johnconyers; michigan; migrants; unauthorizedmigrants; undocumentedmigrants
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1 posted on 02/05/2013 4:23:39 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Illegal people” works for me...


2 posted on 02/05/2013 4:26:17 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (Of the government, by the government, and for the government.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“WAR IS PEACE”
“FREEDOM IS SLAVERY”
“IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH.”


3 posted on 02/05/2013 4:27:12 PM PST by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

illegal CRIMINAL immigrants!

There fixed it for the idiot congressman.


4 posted on 02/05/2013 4:30:04 PM PST by ICE-FLYER (God bless and keep the United States of America)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Criminal aliens, crimigrants, land lampreys, invaders....


5 posted on 02/05/2013 4:30:57 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Absolutely evil.

They ARE illegal immigrants, you lying devil of a democrat, and you are out to take over and destroy America!


6 posted on 02/05/2013 4:33:03 PM PST by Williams (No Obama)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If there are no “illegal immigrants”, just “undocumented migrants”, then there are no “illegal weapons”, just “undocumented arms”.


7 posted on 02/05/2013 4:34:26 PM PST by kosciusko51 (Enough of "Who is John Galt?" Who is Patrick Henry?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

NEVER underestimate the modern American Left for the blithely relentless damage it does both to language and the intellect all of they expose to it: they are “out of status”, according to Conyers.
More than implying that they are merely in a temporary political holding pen, and that the “status” they are going to give them is just around the corner.
Over time,they have perfected PC, and in doing so, have provided us with a true devolution of language where the way forward is also the way downward, downward into nonsense, deceit, deception, and the prideful ignorance of those that parrot it.


8 posted on 02/05/2013 4:34:26 PM PST by supremedoctrine
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I have heard Mexicans refer to them as “mojados” (wet in the plural). That works for me.


9 posted on 02/05/2013 4:37:24 PM PST by forgotten man (forgotten man)
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To: supremedoctrine

correction to post 8 -—strike the “of” in the first sentence.


10 posted on 02/05/2013 4:37:43 PM PST by supremedoctrine
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To: Uncle Miltie

Remember back in high school? You’re in line in the cafeteria. A bunch of loud talk clique comes in and breaks in line before you. That the illegal immigrant.

There are thousands of respectful Mexicans in line for citizenship and this is what The good Rep. sneers at.

Let the illegals break in line in front of the respectful. That’s what the Dems are all about. What a bunch of loosers.


11 posted on 02/05/2013 4:38:22 PM PST by plangent
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To: supremedoctrine

the correction should’ve reversed “all” and “of”


12 posted on 02/05/2013 4:39:28 PM PST by supremedoctrine
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Hmmmm....this kind of reminds me of the White House admonition that the skeet shooting picture of the “O” was not to be photoshopped....get to work people....Conyers has just threatened our free speech!


13 posted on 02/05/2013 4:40:05 PM PST by goodnesswins (R.I.P. Doherty, Smith, Stevens, Woods.)
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To: ICE-FLYER

Where is your heart? They are law abiding people who have to commit numerous misdemeanors and felonies everyday just to stay here. You have to admire their stick to itness. :) /s


14 posted on 02/05/2013 4:41:59 PM PST by pennyfarmer (Your socialist beat our liberal AGAIN.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Rep. John Conyers Jr. you’re right they are ILLEGAL ALIENS and criminals!!


15 posted on 02/05/2013 4:41:59 PM PST by dalereed
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I'll stop using it when they remove "PRESS ONE FOR ENGLISH"
16 posted on 02/05/2013 4:42:14 PM PST by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Immigrants”, under US Immigration parlance, cannot be “illegal”. The word “immigrant” implies legality. So clearly, the term “illegal aliens” is the accurate term.


17 posted on 02/05/2013 4:42:20 PM PST by Flash Bazbeaux
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’ll just continue calling them illegal aliens.


18 posted on 02/05/2013 4:42:21 PM PST by ZirconEncrustedTweezers ("I'm not anti-anything, I just wanna be free." - Mike Muir)
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To: gorush

19 posted on 02/05/2013 4:43:33 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (What difference does it make (if they eat cake)?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Our citizens are not — the people in this country are not illegal. “ -John Conyers.

Uh, Conyers?
They aren’t citizens.
That kinda throws your idiotic blathering out the window moron.


20 posted on 02/05/2013 4:43:56 PM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The Language of the Third Reich Written by Victor Klemperor explains how the nazis changed the language to manipulate German society.

http://www.amazon.com/The-Language-Third-Reich-Imprerii/dp/0826457770

Remember when the word “militia” conjured images of duty, patriotism, and honor?


21 posted on 02/05/2013 4:45:33 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Next thing you are going to tell us is we can't call people Convicted Felons

Oh, wait ....


22 posted on 02/05/2013 4:45:56 PM PST by taildragger (( Tighten the 5 point harness and brace for Impact Freepers, ya know it's coming..... ))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Our citizens are not — the people in this country are not illegal.

That's the Democrat mindset right there.

Anybody who walks on our soil is now a "citizen."

-PJ

23 posted on 02/05/2013 4:47:16 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet


24 posted on 02/05/2013 4:49:28 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Many immigrant-rights advocates object to the terms "illegal" and "alien," saying that people cannot be deemed illegal...

Must be the same logic that certain black activists use when they say that it's impossible for blacks to be racist.

25 posted on 02/05/2013 4:53:19 PM PST by COBOL2Java (Fighting Obama without Boehner & McConnell is like going deer hunting without your accordion)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Just die please!


26 posted on 02/05/2013 4:55:25 PM PST by TribalPrincess2U (0bama's agenda¬óDivide and conquer seems to be working.)
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To: TribalPrincess2U

Conyers, not you.


27 posted on 02/05/2013 4:56:47 PM PST by TribalPrincess2U (0bama's agenda¬óDivide and conquer seems to be working.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I am too angry at this attack — for that is what it is — on plain language and reality to even attempt to comment civilly.

If I watched Conyers walk into a tree, I would ask him, “What are you complaining about? That wasn’t a tree and you did not just walk into it.”


28 posted on 02/05/2013 5:00:26 PM PST by Chad N. Freud (FR is the modern equivalent of the Committees of Correspondence. Let other analogies arise.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Fine. But remember, it’s NOT an Illegal Weapon, it’s an Undocumented Citizen Protection Device. . . .


29 posted on 02/05/2013 5:01:55 PM PST by Salgak (Acme Lasers presents: The Energizer Border. I **DARE** you to cross it. . . .)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Fine. But remember, it’s NOT an Illegal Weapon, it’s an Undocumented Citizen Protection Device. . . .


30 posted on 02/05/2013 5:02:18 PM PST by Salgak (Acme Lasers presents: The Energizer Border. I **DARE** you to cross it. . . .)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Analogy:

“Before the breaking-and-entering trial began, the presiding judge warned both lawyers not to refer to the defendant as a burglar. ‘This person — he wasn’t in the house illegally. He was only uninvited. Keeping that in mind, proceed with the case.’ “

I don’t want to live in a country like that.


31 posted on 02/05/2013 5:05:20 PM PST by Chad N. Freud (FR is the modern equivalent of the Committees of Correspondence. Let other analogies arise.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What the Representative is trying to say is that the person is not an illegal immigrant, but a potential Democratic voter from lands that are not the United States :-|


32 posted on 02/05/2013 5:11:05 PM PST by Stepan12
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Questions for Conyers:

1. How do you define the term “legal,” in reference to citizens of the U.S.?

2. Do all people on the planet meet the criteria of this definition?

3. If not, do the people under discussion meet the criteria?

4. Can you define the term “illegal”?

5. Do the people under discussion meet the criteria of that definition?


33 posted on 02/05/2013 5:13:34 PM PST by Chad N. Freud (FR is the modern equivalent of the Committees of Correspondence. Let other analogies arise.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
And we pay this jackasses salary ??

This tool gives retards a bad name.

34 posted on 02/05/2013 5:14:06 PM PST by onona (KCCO, and mind the gap)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Illegal aliens.

And cut off this civil servants salary.
35 posted on 02/05/2013 5:20:23 PM PST by Vision (Obama is king of the "Takers." Don't be a "Taker.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

So the Democrat minority leader on the committee thinks he can enforce a politically correct language change on the rest of the committee?

Fine, if he wants to do that, call the illegal aliens “Mexican citizens”. That is a clear and accurate description of the majority of illegal aliens.


36 posted on 02/05/2013 5:22:25 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: onona

We’be been paying this jackass’ salary since 1964. However, he’s an old communist and has been since the 1950’s. His father was an UAW leader under the Communist Party USA leaders of the 30/s and 40’s, until he switched over to the Social Democrats, the Reuther Brothers.

Conyers has been around the CPUSA and the Soviet/KGB fronts including the World Peace Council, since the 1960’s and 70’s, respectively.

He’s so old that he used to have lunch with Lenin and Stalin. Also was one of two communist congressmen (the other being fellow Detroit slime George Crockett Jr) who refused to condemn the Soviets for shooting down Korean Airliner KAL 007, killing all the civilian passengers aboard, including fellow Congressman McDonald (D-GA).

Conyers, Crockett, Mahaffey, and Henderson, along with former Mayor and CPUSA comrade Coleman Young, are the people who were mainly responsible for making Detroit into a Third World cesspool.

Conyers is not only a communist, but also a mental retard, on purpose. Yet the blacks and white liberals of cesspool city keep on electing him decade after decade, despite what he has done to Detroit and America.

The rich white folk don’t live with the trash, and the blacks don’t care if they live in trash (with some decent people being trapped in their homes by a lack of economic abilities to move up and out of the dung-heap, or because of old age).

When you live in a shithole like Detroit, a couple sheets of toilet paper won’t help.


37 posted on 02/05/2013 5:25:07 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: kosciusko51

I think the right should start using the term “undocumented gun owners” just to see libs head explode. Use their own terminology against them.


38 posted on 02/05/2013 5:26:17 PM PST by abishai
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; Liz

Dont look at me...

I never call them that...

The proper term is ILLEGAL ALIENS


39 posted on 02/05/2013 5:32:22 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Doogle
"I'll stop using it when they remove "PRESS ONE FOR ENGLISH"

I thought about this today while grocery shopping.

Everyone has noticed that virtually everything has a Spanish translation at the bottom. Today I noticed that the Spanish translation has almost become as large as the English at various establishments.

I love learning new languages, but don't tell me that 40% of your customers need to be told in another language to not bring propane tanks into the store.

Legal immigrants would love to speak fluent English.

Why do we bend over to accomodate those that just don't CARE to learn the predominant language?

It really puts you at a disadvantage.

If I moved to Mexico, I'd appreciate it if things were labeled in my language, and great if I meet people who speak it. But I would never be such a baby that I wouldn't make an effort to "get by" in espanol.

40 posted on 02/05/2013 5:33:43 PM PST by boop ("You don't look so bad, here's another")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I prefer the term invader myself.


41 posted on 02/05/2013 5:35:00 PM PST by Altura Ct.
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To: boop; Doogle

“Press 2 for English”


42 posted on 02/05/2013 5:40:19 PM PST by Rodamala
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I prefer the expression “Trespassing Foreign Nationals,” but everyone recognizes the expression “Illegal Aliens” and to use something else somehow obscures the issue the way the expression “Affordable Health Care Act” gave obamacare the illusion of being less evil.

“Affordable?” I still can’t believe there were so many suckers willing to let Washington define what “affordable” meant.


43 posted on 02/05/2013 6:04:26 PM PST by clearcarbon
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44 posted on 02/05/2013 6:44:37 PM PST by publius911 (Look for the Union Label -- then buy something else)
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They are not illegal immigrants because they are not immigrants at all. They are illegal aliens. Some are even colonists. They have no intention of becoming Americans.
45 posted on 02/05/2013 6:55:13 PM PST by JoeFromSidney ( New book: RESISTANCE TO TYRANNY. Buy from Amazon.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I don’t see illegal immigrants living in the shadows. I see them all the time and they’re getting cockier by the day.


46 posted on 02/05/2013 7:03:35 PM PST by Crucial (Tolerance at the expense of equal treatment is the path to tyranny.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

they don’t say “baby” when it comes to abortion either...


47 posted on 02/05/2013 7:12:17 PM PST by terycarl
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To: Rodamala
“Press 2 for English”

Does anyone DOUBT that is coming in the next 10-20 years?

In order to "get by" in America, you'll have to speak Spanish?

48 posted on 02/05/2013 10:46:49 PM PST by boop ("You don't look so bad, here's another")
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To: Tennessee Nana; AuntB; TADSLOS; Grampa Dave; thouworm; Osage Orange; 2ndDivisionVet; sickoflibs
America-hating racist groups like La Raza--groups like "Voto Latino" who are corrupting our precious right to vote ----- and so-called "immigrant-rights advocates" seemngly springing out of nowhere---object to the terms "illegal" and "alien," saying people cannot be deemed illegal, and that the word "alien" makes them sound inhuman.

This really p****s me off----these snotnoses thumb their nose at US laws----they are not even legit citizens---- and they're already telling Americans what to do, how to think and what to say.

==============================================

WILL THE HEARING FOCUS ON THE DOMINICAN REPUBLIC (notorious for SEN MENENDEZ'S SEXCAPADES)? the Dominican Republic is a Caribbean nation notorious for corrupt governments and strong-arm dictators.

Despite US politicans' fondness for the "amenities" at its posh resorts, and celebrities relaxing at posh villas spending big bucks there, the DR has no safety net or state-sponsored job creation for its largely impoverished citizenry.

The one million Dominican citizens currently living in the US send home about a billion dollars annually---which is considered by the corrupt do-nothing DR govt to be a major source of state revenue. A steady exodus leaves for US shores lured by the endless US gravy train.

The Dominican Government has obviously been colluding w/ Sen Menendez. They have cunningly figured out that massive financial benefits would derive from amnesty, by supplying hordes of their impoverished citizens as pressure groups.

The sub rosa deals exchange alien votes for foreign aid---zillions of us tax dollars straight into the pockets of corrupt third world federales .....more below

49 posted on 02/06/2013 5:30:17 AM PST by Liz
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks 2ndDivisionVet.
"I hope no one uses the term illegal immigrants here today. Our citizens are not -- the people in this country are not illegal. They are are out of status. They are new Americans that are immigrants," said Rep. John Conyers Jr., Michigan Democrat.

50 posted on 02/12/2013 6:50:43 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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