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What Would President Romney Do? Romney’s promised to scrap Obamacare—and if he wins he can do it
Slate ^ | June 28, 2012 | Matthew Yglesias

Posted on 06/28/2012 8:44:44 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

The Supreme Court’s decision to let the core elements of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act stand kicks the fate of the Obama administration’s signature initiative where it properly belongs—into the domain of politics—where a Romney administration would still have ample opportunity to dismantle the main elements of the law.

One thing President Romney probably couldn’t do, however, would be the politically expedient step of simply repealing the legally controversial and politically unpopular fine levied on people who decline to purchase health insurance. Both Romney (who embraced a mandate as governor of Massachusetts) and Obama (who opportunistically opposed a mandate when running against Hillary Clinton) understand the basic issue here. Requiring insurance companies to accept all customers and charge the same price regardless of their state of health (“guaranteed issue” and “community rating” in wonk-speak) are popular but unworkable ideas. If people can buy insurance only after they get sick, then there isn’t enough money coming into the system to cover the bills of the people who are sick.

That’s why even the Obama administration told the Supreme Court that if they struck down the mandate, the guaranteed issue and community rating provisions should go as well. The court did have the option of being devious, and simply kicking the dilemma of what to do with a mandateless market back to the White House. But a future Romney administration would have to internalize the consequences of stripping the mandate and thus would be unlikely to try to isolate it.

This is where Democrats may come to rue the day that they decided to delay implementation of the main parts of their signature initiative all the way until 2014...

(Excerpt) Read more at slate.com ...


TOPICS: Campaign News; Issues; U.S. Congress; U.S. Senate
KEYWORDS: congress; obama; obamacare; romney

1 posted on 06/28/2012 8:44:55 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Bullsh*t

A conservative president could do it..Romney cant and wont

2 posted on 06/28/2012 8:59:24 PM PDT by montanajoe
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Romney says he will “repeal and replace” Obamacare on his first day in office. I simply wonder how he will repeal it and with what will he replace it? Or is it simply a campaign slogan meant for the mind numbed Republican voters?


3 posted on 06/28/2012 9:00:40 PM PDT by ImpBill ("America, where are you now?" - Little "r" republican!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I wonder why everyone is nervous about whether romney will actively seek to repeal obamascare.


4 posted on 06/28/2012 9:01:01 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: ImpBill

It’s a quick and dirty way of saying that he doesn’t agree with the ruling. But yes, I would like to know just what exactly he intends to replace it with.


5 posted on 06/28/2012 9:01:51 PM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Romney has said what he will do, and he will probably do it, but calling what happened today anything but politics is nonsense. It doesn’t get anymore political with all the partisan judges voting their politics, and the typical Republican type compromising with the left. Once again, the American people got gypped.


6 posted on 06/28/2012 9:05:31 PM PDT by pallis
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To: montanajoe

Romney *might*

Obama won’t.

I hate it. But that is the choice.


7 posted on 06/28/2012 9:14:37 PM PDT by cableguymn
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To: cableguymn
But that is the choice.

There is another choice - represent conservatism or lose your power.

8 posted on 06/28/2012 9:59:30 PM PDT by 5thGenTexan
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Romney is a good man, but he will not out and out repeal O’Care. At his core he’s a mushy moderate at best. And he won’t have a Republican dominated Senate to help him repeal it.

Five years from now the 1,000 arm tick we know as Obamacare will still exist. Even if Romney wins the presidency the dozens of panels and committees designed to implement O’Care will still exist. The thousands of new IRS agents hired to enforce it will still be there. NOTHING serious will change. Republicans will talk about repeal but the infrastructure already in place will remain in place. There won’t be a single time during a Romney presidency when Romney announces that he or anyone else has shut down and removed ANY aspect of the gov’t machine put in place by Progressives. Nothing will be categorically eliminated. It simply will not happen.

Sorry, but the Progressive Army of Political Ticks has now embedded itself so far into our system that nothing will fix it. Romney and Republicans will nibble at the edges, as they always do, but 10, 15, 20 years from now every single American will still be contending with Obamacare or it’s bureaucratic legacy.


9 posted on 06/28/2012 10:16:56 PM PDT by navyguy (The National Reset Button is pushed with the trigger finger.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What idiot believes this??? He can NOT scrap it. He WILL not scrap it. This is a fool’s errand. But hey, there will be enough Conservatives who will continue to play the whipping boy for the GOP elite. How has that worked out for ya so far?


10 posted on 06/28/2012 10:26:54 PM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: navyguy

If the left continues to be dominant 10 years from now onwards, then there will be way too many problems for the entire U.S., as a country, (or whatever it will be called, instead), to, even, keep accurate track of it all! “Detroit” would of gone national, with no end in sight! The U.S. would become a third world, socialistic country, possibly, for always!


11 posted on 06/28/2012 10:29:08 PM PDT by johnthebaptistmoore (The world continues to be stuck in a "all leftist, all of the time" funk. BUNK THE FUNK!)
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To: cableguymn

And don’t, even, try to vote, in the non-left majority, for, either, Virgil Goode of the Constitution Party, or Tom Hoefling of America’s Party! Non-leftists have a true way out of this mess, but they are way too into the ongoing religion of “voting for the lesser of two evils” to, actually, vote any other way, other than to, either, write-in a favorite conservative, “blank” the ‘12 POTUS/VPOTUS spot on the ballot, or stay at home and not vote at all this November!


12 posted on 06/28/2012 10:36:53 PM PDT by johnthebaptistmoore (The world continues to be stuck in a "all leftist, all of the time" funk. BUNK THE FUNK!)
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To: 5thGenTexan

There is another choice - represent conservatism or lose your power.


And what power might that be?

I don’t like it anymore than the next conservative. But pining your hope on beating Obama with someone other that Romney is a sure fire way to loose at this point.

I was a ABR guy. I still am, however, this time around I see no other option to stop obama.

I am not happy with this at all.

If somehow they manage to kick Romney to the curb in Miami and replace him with a conservative you will get no complaints from me.


13 posted on 06/28/2012 11:02:36 PM PDT by cableguymn
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To: johnthebaptistmoore

Sorry.. I won’t be staying home. To many down ticket races to vote in.

Michele needs my vote. I am in MN 6.


14 posted on 06/28/2012 11:03:44 PM PDT by cableguymn
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To: cableguymn
And what power might that be?

By not helping RINOS stay in office, each of those RINOS loses his/her personal hold on power. By lowering the total number of Republican party members in Congress, the party loses some of it's power. By losing State Legislatures and Governorships, the party loses it's power at the State level.

Do you feel better when a liberal bill passes with a few RINO crossover votes than when it is a straight party line vote with fewer on the Republican side? I say it's worse - they can claim "bi-partisian" with the RINO votes.

15 posted on 06/28/2012 11:19:16 PM PDT by 5thGenTexan
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To: 5thGenTexan

Alright.. Just so we are clear.

I’ll vote for Romney. My wallet is closed to him.

I said I was going to vote down ticket for people like Bachmann. Hardly a Rino.

I did not come to the choice of voting for Romney easily. If you want to beat Obama give me another way of doing it.


16 posted on 06/28/2012 11:24:38 PM PDT by cableguymn
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To: cableguymn
I’ll vote for Romney. My wallet is closed to him.

If he's not worth your wallet, why is he worth your vote? You must decide this in a way that allows you to lay your head on your pillow each night.

If you want to beat Obama give me another way of doing it.

I want to promote Conservatism. It is not just one election to me. I understand that we as a country may be heading for some hard times, but I will work to help Conservatism prevail.

Making this all about Obama is not the correct long term view in my mind. Sometimes we lose the war with "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" tactics because in the compromises we lose ourselves.

17 posted on 06/28/2012 11:36:51 PM PDT by 5thGenTexan
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To: 5thGenTexan

Conservatives who are not 100% behind Romney are abandoning their conservatism and will help keep ObamaCare.

Dah? Obama.

That’s why Rush, Levin, Palin, and Reagan, in his grave, support Romney. The grownups will get Romney Elected! It’s Romney vs Obama. Who’s better for America?


18 posted on 06/28/2012 11:49:59 PM PDT by factmart
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To: RIghtwardHo

You’re Right.

Romney has already promised to repeal on day one.

HOW?

It’ll take super majorities in both houses months just to go Find all the buried Funding roots of this atrocity before they can write the Bill to send Romney.

Executive Order? Even IF Willard had the guts, And the Arrogance, he wouldn’t know Where all the little pieces of it Are. And even if he Did, do we want to get into an Executive Order Tyranny? We do it, then They do it, and Congress gets left out? Making Laws becomes the business of the day to day whims of the President?

That is Banana Republic. Marry your daughter off to El Generalisimo who saved you from the previous El Generalisimo.

Romney is yanking Everybody’s chain. He’s the same, Lying Blowhard that Jim and everyone else here have been Warning us about for ages.

We’ll be playing ice hockey with Satan before Romney repeals this mess on day one, and it annoys me no end to see so many people fall for it just because he’s Not Obama.


19 posted on 06/28/2012 11:51:56 PM PDT by To-Whose-Benefit? (It is Error alone which needs the support of Government. The Truth can stand by itself.)
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To: HANG THE EXPENSE

Yeah, gee, I wonder why?


20 posted on 06/29/2012 1:32:39 AM PDT by Finny (A deal with the devil is ALWAYS a losing proposition. Voting for Romney to avoid Obama is just that.)
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To: factmart; 5thGenTexan
5th, just five months ago, factmart posted here on Free Republicn that, why, if that damned Jeb Bush somehow snagged the nomination, he, factmart, would vote for Obama before he'd vote for Jeb!

The courage of his convictions is so rabbity that he needs Rush, Levin, Palin to tell him how to think, and has the incredibly arrogant audacity to take it upon himself even to speak for "Reagan, in hs grave," who he says would support Romney. Presumably, however, Reagan would vote for Obama before he'd vote for Jeb Bush.

This is to illustrate the utter abandon of factmart's convictions.

21 posted on 06/29/2012 1:50:30 AM PDT by Finny (A deal with the devil is ALWAYS a losing proposition. Voting for Romney to avoid Obama is just that.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Mr. RomneyCARE AUTHORED ObamaCARE/RomneyCARE.

Like GAY MARRIAGE, MR. RomneyCARE created it,
then got the GOPe to forget that, hoping the
entire American public has no memory, too.

WRONG.


22 posted on 06/29/2012 4:02:58 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: To-Whose-Benefit?

TWB:

You make great points, but did you see who they sent home on Glee?

This is the real story that is lost in the hubbub of the politics of greed.

This is not my America anymore.


23 posted on 06/29/2012 4:08:50 AM PDT by urbanpovertylawcenter (where the law and poverty collide in an urban setting and sparks fly)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

We will need a Veto-proof Senate...guaranteed. We also then need to impeach us some SC justices.

It is no accident Obama is President, Mitt is his “opposition” and this was the Ruling.

The Hand against We the People is malignant and unseen...


24 posted on 06/29/2012 4:09:32 AM PDT by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: montanajoe

Clearly to do it legislatively he would need 60 votes in the Senate which he is unlikely to get. Otherwise he could give everyone a waiver who asked for one....I suppose that would last only until the next Dem president.


25 posted on 06/29/2012 4:25:19 AM PDT by scrabblehack
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To: montanajoe

“Bullsh*t

A conservative president could do it..Romney cant and wont”

I second the statement. All this talk of repeal is BS and a means to get us, once again, to stand down.


26 posted on 06/29/2012 6:16:51 AM PDT by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Would that be the same Mitt Romney whose website proclaims, ‘Mitt will nominate judges in the mold of Chief Justice Roberts’?

http://dailycaller.com/2012/06/28/romney-website-mitt-will-nominate-judges-in-the-mold-of-chief-justice-roberts/#ixzz1zCDFBnfh

Romney ruthlessly attacked my conservative candidates in the 2008 and 2012 GOP primaries, so I assume he doesn’t need or want my help. Besides, he is already rolling in cash, thanks to donations from the easily deceived.

These conservative candidates for the US Senate, however, are not so wealthy, and they could really use some help. The REAL battleground of 2012 will be the Senate. We need to take it back.

A good first step would be to follow on Twitter & support them:

@tedcruz, @richardmourdock, @DebFischer2012, @sarah_steelman, @JoshMandelOhio. @TeamHoekstra, @Rehberg2012, @RickBergND, @Neumann4WI & @georgeallenva .

Also @SarahPAC .


27 posted on 06/29/2012 8:21:05 AM PDT by Josh Painter ("The lesser of two evils is, by definition, evil." - Josh Painter)
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To: montanajoe

Right. GOPe told us loud and clear they did not want the Tea Party protestors out and about yelling about fascistcare. Why would that be other than they supported Obamacare. They won’t overturn it just like they won’t reform anything the communists have done to kill our Republic. They’ll ‘try’, but by accident, fail.


28 posted on 06/29/2012 10:54:49 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Finny
I said I would vote for Obabma before Jeb Bush. I cannot stand American Royalty.

I will Vote for Romney For Obama Or Jeb Bush.

I'm no Reagan, Reagan would vote for Romney or Jeb Bush before Obama.

Were no you stand?

29 posted on 06/29/2012 11:16:04 PM PDT by factmart
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To: Finny
I said I would vote for Obabma before Jeb Bush. I cannot stand American Royalty.

I will Vote for Romney For Obama Or Jeb Bush.

I'm no Reagan, Reagan would vote for Romney or Jeb Bush before Obama.

Were no you stand?

30 posted on 06/29/2012 11:16:27 PM PDT by factmart
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To: Finny
I said I would vote for Obabma before Jeb Bush. I cannot stand American Royalty.

I will Vote for Romney before Obama Or Jeb Bush.

I'm no Reagan, Reagan would vote for Romney or Jeb Bush before Obama.

Where do you stand?

31 posted on 06/29/2012 11:17:44 PM PDT by factmart
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To: factmart
Where do I stand? Well, I wouldn't vote for Obama, and I probably would vote for Jeb Bush because his record isn't even remotely in the same neighborhood as Romney's, not even close.

You, on the other hand, would vote for Obama in that circumstance, apparently.

You don't know what Reagan would do, and it is disgusting that you presume to speak for him. That you presume to do so makes you pretty small.

Where do I stand? I am voting FOR a plurality by splitting the vote via third party, in an effort to make it so whichever big-government authoritarian statist wins, Obama or Romney, gets in on the slimmest plurality possible. A president who takes office when the majority of Americans voted against him, is weak, defensive, and vulnerable. Witness Bill Clinton, who got in on a 43% plurality -- a full 57% of Americans voted against him, and he got his butt kicked in the midterms with the Republican Revolution. Does anyone seriously think the Republican Revolution would have happened if Clinton had won with a majority, or if HW Bush had been re-elected?

I accept the hard truth that there is no such thing as voting "against" a candidate -- there is only voting FOR a candidate as the price to prevent (vote "against") a different candidate from winning. Neither I nor any other American can vote "against" Obama OR Romney; we can ONLY vote for someone else. THERE IS NO VOTING 'AGAINST.'

I will be voting FOR a plurality to weaken the victory of whichever government tyrant wins, Obama or Romney.

32 posted on 07/01/2012 4:44:41 PM PDT by Finny (A deal with the devil is ALWAYS a losing proposition. Voting for Romney to avoid Obama is just that.)
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