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Four Reasons Why the GOP Nomination Will go to Herman Cain or Newt Gingrich
WeArePolitics.com ^ | 10-13-2011 | Doug Deal

Posted on 10/13/2011 8:30:22 PM PDT by Billlknowles

Political fortunes can turn on a dime and for many reasons. At this point four years ago the nominees were obviously going to be Giuliani and Hillary and McCain was going to drop out at any second. Time disproved these assumptions.

For a time, the race has seemed to alternate between Romney and some upstart. Each time, the upstart would peak for a couple weeks and crash back down to reality, only to be replaced by another a little later. The one constant has always been Romney.

This consistency to stay near at top has given people the mistaken belief that Romney will likely be the nominee, but in truth the opposite is true. The ease at which Romney has been overtaken by challenges demonstrates that his support is not strong and that he is very few people's second choice. In a race with so many candidates, that is a very dangerous place to be. And because of this weakness, some candidate will eventually consolidate support around themselves and the candidates most suited to do that are Cain and Gingrich for the following reasons

Newt has been playing it smart. In the debates and in his speeches, he has not done anything to rile up the supporters of his opponents to swear against every voting for him. The other candidates have. How many of Perry's last remaining rats will flee the sinking ship by jumping on Michele Bachmann's lifeboat? How many will jump to Romney?

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TOPICS: Campaign News; Issues; Parties; Polls
KEYWORDS: bipartisan; cain; funny; gingrich; haha; humor; obama; romney
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1 posted on 10/13/2011 8:30:27 PM PDT by Billlknowles
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To: Billlknowles

Are you Dick Morris?


2 posted on 10/13/2011 8:36:27 PM PDT by Past Your Eyes (I'm sticking with Herman. No more second terms!)
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To: Billlknowles

Cain admires and likes Newt a lot. It could be Cain/Gingrich.

Cain, yes.

Newt, no.


3 posted on 10/13/2011 8:39:15 PM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: Billlknowles

Cain is fine by me.

Gingrich is an idea man with too little personal morality. A conservative Clinton. No thanks.


4 posted on 10/13/2011 8:39:42 PM PDT by pogo101
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To: Billlknowles

I like both.

As a caller to Hugh Hewitt a few weeks ago said, “I’d vote Alfred E. Newman over Obama”.

I’m not hot for Perry or Romney. I don’t see Huntsman having a chance. Bachman, although I like her, I don’t think she is ready. I really like Santorum (the only true conservative in the race IMHO...Bachman is close), but I don’t think he’s ready for prime time.

I was worried about the 9 9 9 plan until I heard MR. Supply side Economics support (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2791952/posts).

Just my 2 cents, which wont get you anything, but hey, at least I still live in a Country where I can throw my 2 cents about.


5 posted on 10/13/2011 8:43:07 PM PDT by occamrzr06 (One day this will all make sense!)
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To: pogo101

he got cozy with san fan nan.. I will NEVER forgive Newt.


6 posted on 10/13/2011 8:43:37 PM PDT by cableguymn
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To: Billlknowles

Anybody but Romney or Paul.


7 posted on 10/13/2011 8:44:33 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: Billlknowles

But...but...but, Karl Rove said Cain would most certainly lose his momentum. How can we dare question the “Architect”?


8 posted on 10/13/2011 8:45:13 PM PDT by Artcore
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To: Billlknowles

Everyone loved Rick’s message until debate time, when he was topping 30 in the polls, so if the best debater is the arbiter of the next president and a record is of no importance, then of course, we go with Newt. He is the best debater by miles. I love Newt.


9 posted on 10/13/2011 8:47:06 PM PDT by RitaOK (TEXAS. It's EXHIBIT A for Rick, who needs to pound the fiction flackers back into the Stone Age.)
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To: cableguymn

he got cozy with san fan nan.. I will NEVER forgive Newt.


Sitting on the couch and oh so close—sickening.


10 posted on 10/13/2011 8:47:10 PM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: Billlknowles

The author says both Cain and Gingrich are “surging.”

However, Cain’s 20-point move is rather more significant than Newt’s 3.


11 posted on 10/13/2011 8:49:18 PM PDT by Interesting Times (WinterSoldier.com. SwiftVets.com. ToSetTheRecordStraight.com.)
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To: pogo101

I heard a shocking statistic the other day that never before registered with me. We’ve only had ONE divorced president EVER in this country: Ronald Reagan.

And people still try to pass on the cr@p that morality doesn’t matter any more in a president.


12 posted on 10/13/2011 8:50:00 PM PDT by fwdude ("When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve ...")
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To: Billlknowles

I see problems with both newt and cain. I would be surprised if either one of them gets it.

I don’t know who will get it, but I think mitt will come in second and probably end up VP.


13 posted on 10/13/2011 8:50:11 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: Billlknowles

Here’s why it will go to Herman Cain.

Herman Cain who truly was until recently a virtual unknown had faith enough in himself to decide to run for President of the United States on his own. There was no Media hype/pressure/build-up about a possible run, there was no urging by members of the Party, no words spoken into his ear by party players, elites, beltway boys or pundits, not even a word of encouragement from the Republican Party of his home state only faith in himself. Now after months of being treated as being a inconsequential candidate the curious sideshow of a conservative black Republican, he is now in the top tier along with people of great party pull, of men with experienced political machines and the dollars to power them. He did that on his own with no help from anyone accept by his own. Now think what a man with faith in himself like that could accomplish if given the chance.

Now many are saying Cain hasn’t a chance with his little formal organization and even less money.

Well let me remind all of you of what a recent movement did with no formal organization and even less money, The Tea Party.

The Tea Party manage with both those weakness to go on and seriously change the political landscape and in doing so caused the Leftist members of govenment, ellitist of both political parties and media types to quake in fear of them and their rath and all done with only a minimum of formal organization and on a ‘shoe string’ budget.

That’s what sucessful AMERICANS do, what they have always done! It’s what makes us WINNERS! They start out with what they have and they MAKE IT WORK! They make it work because what they don’t have in manpower or money they make-up with brains, sweat, blood and last but most important faith.


14 posted on 10/13/2011 8:53:07 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

Love your analysis - sure hope you’re right about Cain!!


15 posted on 10/13/2011 8:54:30 PM PDT by Deagle
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To: mamelukesabre

” I see problems with both newt and cain. I would be surprised if either one of them gets it.” <<<

Its true. Bachman is no slouch in brains. A little gaffe prone but the girl has the smarts. But for Huntsman and Romney the mirage, I thought all our candidates comported themselves extremely well in that last debate.

However, they are all fools to appear on MSNBC next week.


16 posted on 10/13/2011 8:54:48 PM PDT by RitaOK (TEXAS. It's EXHIBIT A for Rick, who needs to pound the fiction flackers back into the Stone Age.)
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To: mamelukesabre

Mitt should run the biggest cabinet department(HHS) with instructions to cut it in half.


17 posted on 10/13/2011 8:54:48 PM PDT by DIRTYSECRET
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To: mamelukesabre

Mitt should run the biggest cabinet department(HHS) with instructions to cut it in half.


18 posted on 10/13/2011 8:54:48 PM PDT by DIRTYSECRET
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To: Billlknowles

Nein Nein Nein
No more new taxes....that includes a giant blood sucking National Sales Tax.

We need Surplus Budgets and we need to let the moslem blow themselves up without US getting in the way.


19 posted on 10/13/2011 8:56:32 PM PDT by TomasUSMC ( FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM)
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To: Billlknowles

Zero chance it is Gingrich. I mean ZERO. But I do think Cain has a shot and that’s exciting.


20 posted on 10/13/2011 8:57:21 PM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: Kartographer

What you say is true. Cain and now Newt rising has proved money, in the primaries at least, is not everything. Newt has been virtually no where and comes in third in several polls.


21 posted on 10/13/2011 8:58:11 PM PDT by RitaOK (TEXAS. It's EXHIBIT A for Rick, who needs to pound the fiction flackers back into the Stone Age.)
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To: Billlknowles

If they continue hitting each other over the head with rubber chickens during these “debates”, there is no telling what is going to happen.


22 posted on 10/13/2011 8:58:17 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer ("Greed" is wanting everything and demanding that somebody else pay for it.)
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To: fwdude

You’re comparing Newt Gingrich to Ronald Reagan?

You’re comparing the circumstances of Gingrich’s divorce — he served her in her hospital bed, didn’t he? — to those of Reagan’s — Wyman filed for it, not he?

Wow.


23 posted on 10/13/2011 8:59:46 PM PDT by pogo101
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To: fwdude

Yep! But in Reagan’s defense...that divorce happened back when he was a democrat, LOL.

we’ve also not had a fat man elected for 75+ years. Sure, clinton got chubby AFTER he was elected. FDR was a little on the heavy side but not too bad when he was campaigning his first term. But to find a president that was FAT before he got elected...you got to go back a long way.

Not too many with grey hair before they got elected either. Eisenhower, truman, and possibly clinton.


24 posted on 10/13/2011 9:01:30 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: fwdude

Or maybe you just meant, divorce is a big negative.

Sorry if I misunderstood. It’s late.


25 posted on 10/13/2011 9:03:00 PM PDT by pogo101
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To: Billlknowles
Like Newt or not, I would pay money to see him in a debate with Joe Biden. That would be like Joe Lewis in the ring with Ronald McDonald
26 posted on 10/13/2011 9:03:29 PM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: unkus

What you said.


27 posted on 10/13/2011 9:04:38 PM PDT by navyblue (<u>)
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To: TomasUSMC

Your tag line rocks! Says it all.

In 2010 we fought like ww2 and won, on NO TAXES until SPENDING was slashed.

IT WAS NEVER A REVENUE PROBLEM, IT WAS A SPENDING PROBLEM.

That was pre-”NAN”, “NAN”, “NAN”. Are we fickle or whut? THAT is why the Tea Party is losing its moorings. We are tossing our principle overboard and talking taxation, 999.


28 posted on 10/13/2011 9:04:38 PM PDT by RitaOK (TEXAS. It's EXHIBIT A for Rick, who needs to pound the fiction flackers back into the Stone Age.)
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To: DIRTYSECRET

I’m not sure why, but mitt reminds me of a younger, quirkier, geekier version of gerald ford. I think that’s why I see him as VP.


29 posted on 10/13/2011 9:07:57 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: RitaOK

no sh1t sherlock. If the tea party keeps backing cain, I’m done with the tea party.


30 posted on 10/13/2011 9:10:10 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: Kartographer
There's another reason why the "Establishment" will have to accept Herman Cain or Newt Gingrich as the nominee.
The base is no loner attached to the "Establishment" and wants to teach "Establishment Republicans" a lesson about Ronald Reagan.
Conservatism Wins Elections ... every time it's tried.

There's no way in hell I can compromise my values.

Jack Kerwick wrote an article on May 24, 2011 titled The Tea Partier versus The Republican and he expressed some important issues that I agree with.


I'm fresh out of "patience", and I'm not in the mood for "compromise".
"COMPROMISE" to me is a dirty word.
Let the RINO's compromise their values, with the conservatives, for a change.

The "Establishment Republicans" can go to hell!
31 posted on 10/13/2011 9:12:06 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple: Fight or Die)
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To: mamelukesabre

Thank goodness someone is left who remembers the singular principle, focus, purpose, the chants. One issue. One voice. No taxes. Cut spending. That was then.


32 posted on 10/13/2011 9:25:30 PM PDT by RitaOK (TEXAS. It's EXHIBIT A for Rick, who needs to pound the fiction flackers back into the Stone Age.)
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To: mamelukesabre
Mitt being VP reminds me of John Kerry. Kerry that VP slot would crown him President. Mitt just might go as nutty as Kerry is. Mitt has bought into the "Its my turn" ilk.

Will the Clintons, Kerry's and Romneys ever go away?

33 posted on 10/13/2011 9:26:44 PM PDT by annieokie
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To: pogo101

You’re comparing the circumstances of Gingrich’s divorce — he served her in her hospital bed, didn’t he?


AGAIN

I was 13 years old, and we were about to leave Fairfax, Va., and drive to Carrollton, Ga., for the summer. My parents told my sister and me that they were getting a divorce as our family of four sat around the kitchen table of our ranch home. Soon afterward, my mom, sister and I got into our light-blue Chevrolet Impala and drove back to Carrollton.

Later that summer, Mom went to Emory University Hospital in Atlanta for surgery to remove a tumor. While she was there, Dad took my sister and me to see her.

It is this visit that has turned into the infamous hospital visit about which many untruths have been told. I won’t repeat them. You can look them up online if you are interested in untruths. But here’s what happened:

My mother and father were already in the process of getting a divorce, which she requested.

Dad took my sister and me to the hospital to see our mother.

She had undergone surgery the day before to remove a tumor.

The tumor was benign.

As with many divorces, it was hard and painful for all involved, but life continued.

As have many families, we have healed; we have moved on.

We are not a perfect family, but we are knit together through common bonds, commitment and love.

My mother and father are alive and well, and my sister and I are blessed to have a close relationship with them both.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2719860/posts


34 posted on 10/13/2011 9:27:00 PM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: annieokie

Correction: Kerry thought the VP slot........


35 posted on 10/13/2011 9:28:35 PM PDT by annieokie
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To: RitaOK

I wonder if Newt’s “surge”, if it is that, is due more to dissatisfaction with Mitts and Perry, as opposed to Newt himself.

Let’s be realistic, the Dems would have to look pretty hard to find someone that Newt could beat.

If the lefties start beating his drum, it’s because they are concerned about Cain. We know how that works.


36 posted on 10/13/2011 9:30:22 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s ( If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there)
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The immediate questions are:
1. Who will defeat Romney in Iowa?
2. Who will run a strong race in NH, weakening Romney?
3. Who will defeat Romney in SC?

Might be a different answer for each of the 3. Which is why it isn’t necessarily meaningless that the playing field has multiple alternatives to Mittsta.

Until Romney is sufficiently stopped, all further speculations regarding the full nomination process ... seem to lack of focus.


37 posted on 10/13/2011 9:33:26 PM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (I might go back to New Hampshire to campaign.)
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To: pogo101; mamelukesabre
Or maybe you just meant, divorce is a big negative.

Yes, over-reactive ones. I'm making the point that even reasonable people STILL see a serious character flaw in divorce - one that is nearly a disqualification for the presidency. When they are serial divorcees, it's doubly a problem.

And no, Newt is not innocent by any stretch. He is an adulterer to boot. That you don't recognize this, mameluke, is appalling.

38 posted on 10/13/2011 9:35:22 PM PDT by fwdude ("When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve ...")
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To: Billlknowles

According to the folks here on FR, NOBODY could possibly win the election...


39 posted on 10/13/2011 9:36:07 PM PDT by G Larry (I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his character)
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To: fwdude

I guess that makes Reagan a RINO ?


40 posted on 10/13/2011 9:36:27 PM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: RitaOK
This is what I was telling my hubby today. I want to hear more from them on "Stop the Spending", "Balance the Budget Amendment", then get down to the nuts and bolts of a tax reform.

I don't think this 999 catchy line is something to hang our hats on and Vote for Cain just because he keeps repeating that shtick.

If that is the case, then we can't fault Pelosie for saying "We have to pass this bill, before we know what's in it".

Cain's is elect me, then you will find out what 999 is. Oh, there are some that THINK they know, but REALLY? The devil is in the details.

41 posted on 10/13/2011 9:39:06 PM PDT by annieokie
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
I guess that makes Reagan a RINO ?

Not at all, and that is NOT what I said. Reagan's divorce was obviously beyond his control; his first wife left him.

My rather obvious point is that marital fidelity matters in the presidency, and Newt fails in spades in this department. And yes, Newt IS a RINO.

42 posted on 10/13/2011 9:41:13 PM PDT by fwdude ("When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve ...")
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To: pogo101; mamelukesabre

Sorry, Mameluke, I meant that last statement for pogo.


43 posted on 10/13/2011 9:42:42 PM PDT by fwdude ("When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve ...")
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To: Artcore
Rove is always going to target the biggest challenge to Mitt!

I can't stand Karl Rove. He is so obvious...he thinks we are stupid!

44 posted on 10/13/2011 9:43:24 PM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: Billlknowles

Why is it such a little known fact that Herman Cain at one time was chairman of the Kansas City Federal Reserve Bank? That is one hell of an impressive qualification for a presidential candidate, especially when we’re in the middle of a financial crisis. How many past presidents have we had with that kind of financial background? I can’t think of any.


45 posted on 10/13/2011 9:46:32 PM PDT by haroldeveryman
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To: annieokie
"Cain's is elect me, then you will find out what 999 is. Oh, there are some that THINK they know, but REALLY? The devil is in the details."

You want details?

Link to CAIN 999 PLAN

46 posted on 10/13/2011 9:51:27 PM PDT by LADY J ( Change your thoughts and you change your world.. - Norman Vincent Peale))
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To: mamelukesabre

Is it too early to tell you that we will miss you?


47 posted on 10/13/2011 10:05:44 PM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: fwdude

huh?


48 posted on 10/13/2011 10:08:07 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: fwdude

oh


49 posted on 10/13/2011 10:08:37 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: annieokie
Economist & former advisor to Ronald Reagan, Art Laffer says this about Cain's 999 plan.

Link to VIDEO

50 posted on 10/13/2011 10:09:49 PM PDT by LADY J ( Change your thoughts and you change your world.. - Norman Vincent Peale))
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