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Tea-Party Activists Complicate Republican Comeback Strategy
The Wall Street Journal ^ | October 16, 2009 | Naftali Bendavid

Posted on 10/16/2009 8:44:40 AM PDT by sbpublicaffairs

Mr. Hoffman has siphoned so much support from Ms. Scozzafava that their Democratic rival has vaulted into the lead, according to a poll released Thursday. The election is Nov. 3. "I am not your run-of-the-mill politician, and maybe that's why the Republican bosses didn't like me," Mr. Hoffman told a recent health-care forum sponsored by the Upstate New York Tea Party. In an interview, Ms. Scozzafava acknowledged her discomfort at the event. "I knew it wasn't going to be an easy audience for me," she said. The rise of conservative "tea party" activists around the country has created a dilemma for Republicans. They are breathing life into the party's quest to regain power.

(Excerpt) Read more at online.wsj.com ...


TOPICS: New York; Campaign News; Parties; U.S. Congress
KEYWORDS: hoffman; ny23; rino; scozzafava

1 posted on 10/16/2009 8:44:41 AM PDT by sbpublicaffairs
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To: sbpublicaffairs

This is a good thing


2 posted on 10/16/2009 8:45:31 AM PDT by italianquaker (“Every inch of this Administration is rife with corruption and cronyism.” --- Michelle Malkin)
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To: sbpublicaffairs

GO Tea Party Patriots!!!


3 posted on 10/16/2009 8:46:34 AM PDT by paulycy (Why pay HIGHER TAXES for WORSE healthcare?)
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To: sbpublicaffairs

Don’t count your votes until they are cast GOP, you got to earn them.


4 posted on 10/16/2009 8:46:39 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Note to the GOP: Do not count your votes until they are cast.)
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To: italianquaker

It’s good to prove to the RINOs that they are useless.


5 posted on 10/16/2009 8:47:14 AM PDT by Paladin2 (Big Ears + Big Spending --> BigEarMarx, the man behind TOTUS)
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To: sbpublicaffairs

Step aside, RINOs.


6 posted on 10/16/2009 8:48:28 AM PDT by Lexington Green (Racist? When you call me that... smile.)
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To: sbpublicaffairs

Let us choose our own candidates and lock those votes in.


7 posted on 10/16/2009 8:49:02 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: sbpublicaffairs
Please, send Hoffman a donation. I wish we would get behind him as strongly as we got behind Joe Wilson last month.

Markos Moulitsas, founder of The Daily Kos has endorsed Scozzafava. Dede Scozzafava has also been endorsed by NYSUT, the largest labor union in New York, and an affiliate of the National Education Association.

Scozzafava also holds these positions:

Scozzafava has also run in past elections on the Working Families Party (a progressive party associated with ACORN) line on the ballot.

This lady isn’t a RINO, she is a big “R” democRat.

There are also 17 RINOs in the house who have donated funds to this Liberal democRat's campaign. They include Boehner and Cantor. I don’t have a full list, but I will be looking for it. These RINOs should be targeted for elimination in the primaries next year.

By the way, this article was posted earlier at http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2363538/posts and http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2363665/posts.


From the desk of
cc2k:

8 posted on 10/16/2009 8:49:11 AM PDT by cc2k (I have donated to Doug Hoffman, have you? [check my recent reply posts])
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To: sbpublicaffairs

The GOP is out of luck with me for quite a while yet - I won’t vote for a RINO just to win. Not going to do it again - its on them.

Behind the ostensible government sits enthroned an invisible government owing no allegiance and acknowledging no responsibility to the people. - Theodore Roosevelt


9 posted on 10/16/2009 8:49:18 AM PDT by Patrsup (To stubborn to change now)
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To: sbpublicaffairs

PLAGIARIZING MYSELF FROM PREVIOUSLY:

Well, if “O” and his crew want to successfully drive a wedge in the GOP they will so far polarize Americans that they’ll line them ALL up behind the MOST viable Presidential contender…. irrespective of the kind of stigma (by now comical) typically associated with third parties or gender! Like Nietche said: “If something is falling, give it a shove”.

But, “O” has pushed too, hard too fast. If he can’t bring us together SOMEHOW, (I don’t think he’s capable) he is weakening his own position.

“O” has overspent his ‘class/race schism’ dividend and only succeeded in neutering the GOP. Conservatism still lives, and will find its voice (if it hasn’t already) in time to hand him a REAL race the next time he runs for President.

The opposition to “O” is so widespread and unvarying that for once I think, a third party has a shot. After all, traditional GOP candidates have been less than stellar lately and likely to remain so long enough for Palin to succeed.

She’s connected to the population in a way no others are or have been for a long time and she is articulate. She’s the horse to beat and no GOP hopeful I can think of is doing that.

People forget… the DNC changed drastically by making “O” its nominee! BUT, the GOP both during the campaign and since, has undergone equally drastic, telling and I believe permanent change.

If the last Presidential election was a revolution, the next one will positively vulcanize this country. EVERYONE needs to LET GO of the OLD ways of thinking and getting things done, politically….EVERYONE!!!!

If the GOP wants to be dragged kicking and screaming into the next couple decades, it will render itself even more useless and irrelevant. PALIN is the future of the GOP unless and until someone can talk straighter and rally people more uniformly. I am waiting.


10 posted on 10/16/2009 8:50:30 AM PDT by SMARTY ("Stay together, pay the soldiers and forget everything else" Lucius Septimus Severus)
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To: cripplecreek

Steele, et al, MUST close the primaries in EVERY state!


11 posted on 10/16/2009 8:51:44 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (FreepMail me if you want on the Bourbon ping list!)
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To: Paladin2

We would be better off losing this seat now and win it back in 2010 to send a message


12 posted on 10/16/2009 8:54:19 AM PDT by italianquaker (“Every inch of this Administration is rife with corruption and cronyism.” --- Michelle Malkin)
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To: italianquaker
"He's conservative, and not a lawyer."

Well that's a good start.

13 posted on 10/16/2009 8:54:48 AM PDT by rednesss (fascism is the union,marriage,merger or fusion of corporate economic power with governmental power)
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To: sbpublicaffairs

Interesting. I’ve always been a critic of third party conservative campaigns as they usually result in a Democrat in office. I wonder if either the Republican or Conservative candidate (depending on which one is polling third) would be willing to drop out down the road if it looks like that history will repeat itself.


14 posted on 10/16/2009 8:56:21 AM PDT by DangerZone (RINOs rather lose with a liberal candidate than win with a conservative one.)
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To: sbpublicaffairs
When Democrats were in the minority, they turned more pragmatic in their choice of candidates starting in 2006, and were rewarded with two election victories.

Translation: When they ran as conservatives, they won.

15 posted on 10/16/2009 8:56:23 AM PDT by fortunate sun (Fight the marxist occupation of America. Support the Healthcare Insurrection.)
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To: sbpublicaffairs

The ultimate goal is to take back the party by rendering these RINOS irrelevant. Definitely a goal worth fighting for.


16 posted on 10/16/2009 8:57:15 AM PDT by cblue55
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To: sbpublicaffairs
Tea-Party Activists Complicate Republican Comeback Strategy

I don't agree at all and I hope Freepers here aren't taking the bait.

Tea party activities are the only thing that can reinvigorate the Republican party and it could be done with conservate ideas.

17 posted on 10/16/2009 8:59:15 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: cblue55
The ultimate goal is to take back the party by rendering these RINOS irrelevant. Definitely a goal worth fighting for.

Righty-O!

18 posted on 10/16/2009 9:01:00 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: sbpublicaffairs

A corrupt Republican politician is no better than a corrupt Democratic (socialist) Party of America politician. That is not complicated at all - get rid of RINOs or we all lose.


19 posted on 10/16/2009 9:02:23 AM PDT by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51. Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel
Steele, et al, MUST close the primaries in EVERY state!

It's not as clear cut as you might think.

State primaries are subject to state laws....(even though their was a recent SC ruling about Freedom of Association on the matter).

20 posted on 10/16/2009 9:03:43 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: italianquaker
That message was sent in 2006 and 2008. Obviously sending messages doesn't work. If conservatives want a conservative candidate, they will have to support one in the Republican primary. Better yet, actually take over control of the GOP leadership so the RINOs currently in charge so they can't give RNC money to RINO candidates.

Who knows? Maybe a third party run might actually work in this instance, but it's a big risk.
21 posted on 10/16/2009 9:04:01 AM PDT by DangerZone (RINOs rather lose with a liberal candidate than win with a conservative one.)
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To: sbpublicaffairs
Honestly, we should have been doing this kind of thing YEARS ago. Better late than never, though.

There is absolutely no point in having a Kos-backed hard-leftist like Scozzafava in office as a Republican. It's completely counter productive.

Better a known enemy than a false friend.
22 posted on 10/16/2009 9:05:02 AM PDT by Antoninus (Sarah Palin -- I love her because she freaks out all the right people.)
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To: sbpublicaffairs
"Tea-Party Activists Complicate Republican Comeback Strategy"

This headline has a fallacy at its center. If (BIG IF) there is a comeback strategy at all, it seems to be a combination of:-

"If I roll over, will you tickle my tummy?
What's our biggest asset - we need to destroy it
I will go on TV and talk absolute rubbish in a measured voice that sounds important

The GOP leadership needs to listen to some 'beyond the Beltway' voices and act on what they are saying.

23 posted on 10/16/2009 9:07:42 AM PDT by I am Richard Brandon
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To: DangerZone
That message was sent in 2006 and 2008. Obviously sending messages doesn't work. If conservatives want a conservative candidate, they will have to support one in the Republican primary. Better yet, actually take over control of the GOP leadership so the RINOs currently in charge so they can't give RNC money to RINO candidates. Who knows? Maybe a third party run might actually work in this instance, but it's a big risk.

Third party runs don't usually work and I'm normally against them.

That said, this case is different. Two things;

Hoffman did try to seek the Republican nomination.

It wasn't the rank and file Republican voters who voted against Hoffman it was instead a small number of county party chairman who made the selection.

24 posted on 10/16/2009 9:11:50 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: I am Richard Brandon
Do you think they haven't heard our voices? All the phone calls to our representatives, rants on message boards, withholding of donations, etc? They've heard them. They just don't care, and that is exactly why the corrupt GOP leadership needs to be replaced. That's why we should be doing everything we can to elect conservatives instead of settling for RINOs.
25 posted on 10/16/2009 9:16:22 AM PDT by DangerZone (RINOs rather lose with a liberal candidate than win with a conservative one.)
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To: FreeReign

Indeed. This may be a special case. Is the Republican actually worse than the Democrat in this election?


26 posted on 10/16/2009 9:19:06 AM PDT by DangerZone (RINOs rather lose with a liberal candidate than win with a conservative one.)
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To: sbpublicaffairs
From the article:

When Democrats were in the minority, they turned more pragmatic in their choice of candidates starting in 2006, and were rewarded with two election victories.

IOW they stopped veering so left and turned more RIGHT to win the middle. True.

next sentence from the article:

In preparation for 2010, many of the picks of Republican leaders in key races have records designed to appeal to middle-of-the-road voters, which also make the party faithful cringe.

False. If Republican "leader" picks were designed to appeal to the middle they would also have to turn RIGHT, as they have been heading off the cliff on the left for decades. That would make the party faithful happy. What makes the party faithful cringe is that Republican leaders continue to want to veer left by picking candidates like; Ms. Scozzafava, he noted, was pro-choice, backed gay marriage, supported Mr. Obama's stimulus plan and favored making it easier for unions to organize; simply because the liberal media who write the stories the elites believe couch the arguments in wordspeak such as the conservative values of the far right. Conservative values are common sense middle of the road. Liberal values are the ones of the far extreme , but you'll never see that in driveby prose.

27 posted on 10/16/2009 9:24:19 AM PDT by Kudsman (A lifetime of public service = a lifetime of getting serviced by the public.- Mark Steyn)
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To: DangerZone

Nah the rat will win this


28 posted on 10/16/2009 9:29:07 AM PDT by italianquaker (“Every inch of this Administration is rife with corruption and cronyism.” --- Michelle Malkin)
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To: sbpublicaffairs

We are coming for the RINOs.


29 posted on 10/16/2009 9:31:53 AM PDT by tioga (Drip, Drip, Drip.........the ACORNS are falling.)
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To: Kudsman

The Democrats won in 2006 primarily because of their opposition to the war. Those Democrats who were most successful often combined antiwar stands with conservative rhetoric on domestic issues. IMHO, that is a winning prescription for the GOP in 2010.


30 posted on 10/16/2009 9:39:56 AM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: sbpublicaffairs

Here we have your basic democrat reporter throwing the anchor to the Republican party with his advice.


31 posted on 10/16/2009 9:41:32 AM PDT by Thebaddog (AYBABTU)
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To: DangerZone
"Do you think they haven't heard our voices?"

No, I don't think they have heard our voices:

They don't answer the phone - an assistant does (or doesn't)
They don't read message boards
Reduced donations are obviously an economy fallout thingy!

They have NOT heard them but if they did, they wouldn't care.
The GOP leadership IS corrupt, but they DO sound important on TV! They need the King Edward II treatment (look it up - it's not fun)

32 posted on 10/16/2009 9:47:29 AM PDT by I am Richard Brandon
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To: DangerZone
Indeed. This may be a special case. Is the Republican actually worse than the Democrat in this election?

To the best of my knowledge, I would rate the Republican nominee as about a 4 out of 10 conservative. The SEIU endorsed stealth Democrat who will probably win, will probably turn out to be a 0 or a 1.

What a mess.

33 posted on 10/16/2009 10:05:26 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: sbpublicaffairs

If the Republicans want to save themselves, then the GOP has got to announce its AGENDA. Where’s the Republican Agenda Mikey?

No one knows what Republicans stand for . . . Mikey and the GOP won’t put anything in writing.

Mikey Steele is destroying the GOP with his apathetic lack of leadership.


34 posted on 10/16/2009 11:18:51 AM PDT by HighlyOpinionated (Sarah Palin ...... Sarah Palin ...... Sarah Palin...... Sarah Palin...... You're My Candidate!)
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To: cc2k

And Gingrich is endorsing that ???

What the ....


35 posted on 10/16/2009 9:33:01 PM PDT by STARWISE (The Art & Science Institute of Chicago Politics NE Div: now open at the White House)
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To: penelopesire; seekthetruth; television is just wrong; jcsjcm; BP2; Pablo Mac; April Lexington; ...

~~PING!


36 posted on 10/16/2009 9:35:10 PM PDT by STARWISE (The Art & Science Institute of Chicago Politics NE Div: now open at the White House)
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To: cc2k

bump


37 posted on 10/16/2009 9:37:11 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: sbpublicaffairs; STARWISE

THE REAL PROBLEM: “hand-picked by GOP leaders”

THE SOLUTION: take your hands off & let the energized, ground-swelling, ideologically pure future of your base pick the candidates.

“The tea-party movement, in my judgment, has proven to be very real, but it’s precisely the fact that it’s real that makes it [i.e., them tea-party go-ers] difficult to take advantage of.”


38 posted on 10/16/2009 10:07:50 PM PDT by thouworm
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To: thouworm
let the energized, ground-swelling, ideologically pure future of your base pick the candidates.

let???? I say we pick them and let them know who they will be.

39 posted on 10/17/2009 12:00:28 AM PDT by Bellflower (If you are left DO NOT take the mark of the beast and be damned forever.)
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To: sbpublicaffairs
It's a classic dilemma faced by parties in the minority -- tension between those who want a return to the party's ideological roots and those who want candidates most likely to win in their districts.

Now there's a line that had to have been written by a real genius.
/sarc

40 posted on 10/17/2009 12:08:39 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Bellflower

You’re right! that’s what I meant to convey, but as a tea-party activist, I’ve obviously not yet adjusted to my newly acquired power.

I laughed when I saw your correction. :)


41 posted on 10/17/2009 12:40:56 AM PDT by thouworm
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To: sbpublicaffairs

I see the R party is pulling out all the stops in getting Newt to back up the RINO Scozzofava rather than the conservative in the race, and by pouring in tons of money. Now, why didn’t that money go to a conservative republican candidate in a different, more winnable race? Because the RINOs have coopted the party.


42 posted on 10/17/2009 1:02:45 AM PDT by Kevmo (So America gets what America deserves - the destruction of its Constitution. ~Leo Donofrio, 6/1/09)
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To: cc2k

Dede Scozzafava is not moderate. She’s an out-and=out liberal.


43 posted on 10/17/2009 8:52:56 AM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Liberal sacred cows make great hamburger)
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To: sbpublicaffairs

NEW YORK IS OUR WATERLOO.... Either we kick the RNC *ss or we lose our freedom to the DNC/RNC cabal. VOTE CONSERVATIVE. Even if the Dem wins, we’ll have another crack at that seat in 2010. FIGHT FOR CONSERVATISM.....


44 posted on 10/19/2009 11:45:49 AM PDT by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: FreeReign

I didn’t know the GOP turned him down = okay they are totally stupid.
What the H does our vote do - just select between the candidates that a bunch of old out-of-touch country club types give us. I’ve been on the inside of the abomination.
Primaries are a must. What gives with Newt endorsing this worse-than-RINO? No more insider candidates. Here in Florida good old Charlies thinks he’s a shoe-in.
The problem with a third party is the blind Rs that vote straight party ticket.
What to do, what to do?


45 posted on 10/25/2009 4:19:04 PM PDT by GretchenB
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