Posted on 07/16/2009 8:08:47 AM PDT by Edisto Joe
"ANY USE OF TOBACCO WHILE IN UNIFORM SHOULD BE PROHIBITED!"
Thats what the medical institute report to the Pentagon concludes.
Brian Wise, executive director of Military Families United, decried even the discussion of such a ban.
"With all the issues facing our military today and the risks our troops take to protect our freedom, banning smoking should not even be on the radar screen," Wise said in a written statement Wednesday.
"Nobody doubts the effects of smoking, but it is not an illegal substance and should not be banned," he said. "Our troops make enough sacrifices to serve our nation. They give up many of the freedoms civilians enjoy already without being told they cannot partake in yet another otherwise legal activity.
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NOt only should they be allowed to smoke, the IDIOT who thought up this MORONIC IDEA should be driven from DC on a railcar after being TARRED and FEATHERED.
TOBACCO IS STILL LEGAL.. UNTIL IT’S NOT, STFU!!!
When I got to Viet Nam the PX had just raised the price of cigarettes. The guys said that that when they raised the price again they would quit! The price was $1.10 a CARTON!!
I always wondered why the military was so big on noise and light discipline but never smell discipline. Some soldiers you can smell from several miles away. They also leave a string of cigarette butts out in the field.
I absolutely hate smoking but this is a totally insane waste of time. You are absolutely correct in what should be done.
You’re kidding, right? Theses guys are trained to shoot people but you want to keep them from smoking? Because YOU don’t like it?
HEY “SMELLSGOOD” THE REASON YOU CAN SMELL THEM IS BECAUSE THEY’RE TOO DAMM BUSY SWEATING THEIR ASS OFF IN BATTLE SO YOU CAN TAKE A PERFUMED BATH IN THE COMFORT AND SAFETY OF YOUR HOME!
"Lassie, is that you?"
I’ll bet they could smell your stink of tyranny from several miles away, too.
The military is full of tyranny already. If this saves lives on the battlefield then why are you not for it? I guess some lives are more equal than others I would suppose. There are already cutbacks in spending so there will be less armor in vehicles. With less armor why should we not try to make fewer targets?
I absolutely agree with you.
The cost savings would be tremendous.
And also as you say, the olfactory factor would be remedied in war zones. The soldiers as it face enough of an olfactory assault on their nasal passages due to gunpowder, burn pits for sewage and sometimes being unwashed for days if not weeks.
Just because they’re putting their lives on the line doesn’t mean that they shouldn’t adhere to the standards extant in the USA.
Perhaps we can even make the soldiers confiscate smokes from Afghanis and even Iraqis. Show them what being an American is all about.
It would also enable our soldiers to show respect for Sharia law, as tabak is, like in the West, one of the big bugaboos for strict Sharia.
It could be the basis of an entente with the jihadis. Something we have in common, a hatred for tobacco.
Lick Butts, don’t smoke ‘em.
No where in my post did I mention the word “cost”.
Also you certainly seem to have an agenda and it has absolutely nothing to do with saving good soldiers lives.
The best I've been able to do is this snippet:
"This is probably wishful thinking in view of my family's medical history, but it points up another benefit of cigarettes we no longer hear about: consolation.
Even the word is gone from the language now, but it was what came through in World War II newsreels showing weary soldiers and refugees lighting up. In their most despairing moments a cigarette was all they had, and increasingly I feel the same way."
Florence King.
Pompous asses, sermonizing about the health of someone in front of the firing squad, or about a soldier resting (with one hand still tied behind his back), before going back out to face the other enemy, ruthless murdering savages for whom there are no rules, or sanctimonious hysteria about "health."
Swarthyguy:
Love your tag line. Got a nice sirloin grillin on real smokin charcoal grill next to my wood burnin fire pit, polutin the air with the smell of cooked beef and lovin it!
Just shot a rabbit in my garden with my ar15 and tryin like hell to to keep my big ol carbonfootprint in your face!
What can I say...beautiful comment.
Don't know why, but that immediately reminded me of this:
"A man who has nothing which he is willing to fight for, nothing which he cares about more than he does about his personal safety, is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. "
-- John Stuart Mill, writing on the U.S. Civil War in 1862
Spoken like someone who is unlikely ever to even think about facing what soldiers in the field face.
To make it possible for you to continue making inane comments.
What’s yer beef? I’m agreeing with you.
Smoking kills, can’t have that in a war zone.
>.sanctimonious hysteria about “health.”
There is no such thing. All hysteria, as you put it, about health is justifiable.
You support letting our soldiers kill themselves in war zones by smoking? Have a heart, man.
Enjoy it while you can.
There is no right to eat meat.
Of course it is.
However, I'm saving all my hysteria for global warming...
.../sarc
>>I’m saving all my hysteria for global warming...
Can’t we just have a national hysterectomy and cut out all the hysteria.
JOJ:
Time to kick back and enjoy a nice cigar!
No, you are insane.
ML:
Yea and they also sold for .25 in vending machines. Boy times have changed. Over 1/2 of that is tax money. It’s a true case of politicans biting the hand that feeds.
Edisto Joe
But conclusions based on observed evidence are not.
Post any links you want, sport, but letting 18 to 30 year olds smoke in the war zone isn’t about to kill them. The statement is moronic on its face.
Pentagon has announced that it has no intention of implementing any ban.
Next issue.
You clearly have never been through any significant field training. Your arguments assume that soldiers are unaware of the dangers of the battlefield or how to protect themselves and their compatriots. In short, your comments are insulting to any trained military man. I say that not as an insult back to you - but that is my reaction when I read them - so allow me to explain further.
Any soldier knows that an ash glow at night is nothing more than a head shot target line for a sniper. They are also aware of the smells and tracks that cigarettes, food, water, and human waste can leave.
You seem to be conflating the concerns of recon and spec ops troops with those of organized open patrols and larger unit operations. When patrolling the streets of towns in Iraq our men work in the open. In that situation a cigarette glow or smell is not a concern. For a SEAL or recon team working small unit covert operations in the hills of Afghanistan I can assure they are not stopping for a smoke break or emitting any unnecessary light, much less one attached to the precious melon. Ever seen a special operator use a shrouded red light to check a map - most of them extend their arm and look at it away from their body.
Trust me - special operators - the guys who are worried about disciplines you mention - are aware of scents, tracks, trails, trash, bodily waste, and other give aways. You think that a guy who can lay in a gully for 16 hours dead still covered in doe-in-heat-urine just to get a buck while he’s home on leave isn’t going to take even better safeguards when he’s hunting terrorists that shoot back?
>>deserve what you get on the battlefield
Ah, a true supporter of the troops.
Facts such as presented by BNG obviously have no effect on your smug self righteousness cloaked in sanctimonious concern for the troops.
You are full of your self stated support for the troops by citing the dangers of smoking on a battlefied.
Good for you.
I will admit that after the smoking ban in the military is implemented, the hordes of potential enlistees who have been resisting joining up due to the hazards of tabak smoke will now flood the recruiting offices.
So does bombs and bullets..lets pull them out to save lives.
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