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The Demise of the Electric Vehicle – A Whodunnit With a Shocking Twist...A surprising culprit awaits unmasking.
Liberty Nation ^ | 1/25/2024 | JOHN KLAR

Posted on 01/25/2024 11:18:00 AM PST by Red Badger

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To: dfwgator

What the left wants is for the little people to own anything personally. A single-family home for instance. Why can’t everyone live in apartments that they control? We should be happy with the dregs they provide for us.

You’ll own nothing and like it!


61 posted on 01/25/2024 1:51:47 PM PST by FamiliarFace (I got my own way of livin' But everything gets done With a southern accent Where I come from. TPetty)
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To: Sicon

We had quite a few of them running around Silicon Valley, just like we have as many Teslas today as a tenement has roaches.


62 posted on 01/25/2024 1:54:32 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom (“Occupy your mind with good thoughts or your enemy will fill them with bad ones.” ~ Thomas More)
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To: Red Badger

California, where some 39% of EV car owners reside, do not abuse their batteries.

It’s true in the summer months they are on restricted charging time last year it was no charging until after 9:00pm.

A/C use causes some black outs transformers go off like pop corn.
Poor electrical grid can’t meet demands


63 posted on 01/25/2024 1:56:34 PM PST by Vaduz
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To: SaxxonWoods

My town is about 5x the size of yours, and I’m pretty sure there’s nary a charger here, at least publicly offered.


64 posted on 01/25/2024 1:59:47 PM PST by FamiliarFace (I got my own way of livin' But everything gets done With a southern accent Where I come from. TPetty)
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To: EVO X; ChildOfThe60s
At very cold temperatures they don't take a charge until somewhat warmed up, thus the Chicago charging meltdown earlier this month.

True that. Chicago had the added element of being in an urban area. Meaning, a larger portion of EV owners can't charge at home because they live in apartments or live in houses stacked so close to each other that they have to park in the street. Thus, unlike charging stations in rural areas, the charging stations in urban areas have a high portion of users who need them more frequently just for local charging. (Much like gas car drivers spend most of their refill times for local driving.)

Because I live in rural Alabama, of the 26K miles we've put on our EV in the past 19 months, with 10K of those miles charged away from home, I've had to wait in line at a charger only 1 time and that was on a long road trip up north. All of the other road trips I've taken had no waiting times at chargers, most charging bays were empty. Because the few people who own EV's in the rural southeast almost always charge at home for local driving (and for that matter, even with long road trips the first X miles of the trip are charged at home too).

No matter which car we drive, my wife wants to stop every 200 miles anyway and walk around for 10-15 minutes to stretch her legs. LOL So at least for our driving habits in our warm and mostly rural region, with as many miles as we drive every year, and with doing most of our charging at home, an EV makes sense. Ironically, I've never voted Dim nor do I believe in their warmageddon hoax. I'm talking about practical usage.

Ironically, an EV makes no sense for most of the leftist Dim cult worshippers, I mean voters, who think EV's are saving the world from our carbon sins. Many of them can't charge at home and many of them live up north where it's cold (and where there's a greater tendency to lean left). And because many of them live in urban areas, they probably don't drive nearly as many miles as us rural/suburban dwellers who have to drive tons of miles just to get somewhere for our "local" driving. LOL Thus they usually don't get enough gas savings anyway to pay for the extra costs an EV brings, especially if they have to do most of their charging at the road-side chargers (which cost a lot more per kWh than charging at home, at least after the free charging trial for a year or two expires, even if at least for now it costs less per mile to charge an EV at a road-side charger than to fill-up an ICE car...for now).

65 posted on 01/25/2024 2:04:59 PM PST by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Not to mention “brake anxiety.” If you expensive tires are going to wear out that much faster, how about the braking system?


66 posted on 01/25/2024 2:06:24 PM PST by Noumenon (You're not voting your way out of this. KTF)
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To: lepton

It’s not that the chargers quit working, it’s that the battery circuits refused to let the chargers initiate the charge to the cold battery as this may damage the battery and possible cause a fire. Heads full of mush report this as the chargers are at fault when it’s really a battery issue.


67 posted on 01/25/2024 2:19:21 PM PST by VTenigma (Conspiracy theory is the new "spoiler alert")
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To: Red Badger

I’ve been saying ever since they came out the fourth time (first time 1890 died 1910, second time late 1980s died early 90s, third time EV1 1996-1999 RIP) that they’re considerably inferior ICE powered vehicles. Other than putting lipstick on a very smelly pig the current crop of EVs have all of the drawbacks of the former generation and nothing new to add except hype. (Note tagline)


68 posted on 01/25/2024 2:30:57 PM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy - EVs a solution for which there is no problem)
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To: Tell It Right

It will be interesting to see future EV sales figures for the upper midwest after the widely reported EV charging meltdown in Chicago...


69 posted on 01/25/2024 2:39:07 PM PST by EVO X ( )
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To: alloysteel

Diesel electric cars just like locomotives. What a great idea. Crank up the diesel generators to power the electric motors that drive the wheels. Of course trains do this as a way of transmitting the diesel power to the wheels. And it would eliminate the intermediate steps of getting electricity through the grid and charging and discharging the battery. With a turbocharged 2 cycle diesel you could get almost 50% thermodynamic efficiency.


70 posted on 01/25/2024 2:40:22 PM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy - EVs a solution for which there is no problem)
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To: VTenigma

Irrespective of the cause of the problem the batteries won’t charge. I never had a gas pump not work because it was too cold and that includes a couple of -40F days when I lived in upstate Ny. Then charge it in your garage you say? 30% of the US population lives in multi family dwellings - no garage. Plus does anyone really want to store a potential incendiary bomb in their garage? EVs are inferior technology and if the government would stop ramming them down everyone’s throats and let the market decide they would settle into a small niche of users whose requirements fit the EV envelope.


71 posted on 01/25/2024 3:24:56 PM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy - EVs a solution for which there is no problem)
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To: Red Badger
And while EV proponents claim gas stations too are vulnerable when the power goes out

Except..... you can get gas from a gas station when the power is out. You can certainly get enough to start a generator to run the rest of the pumps.

Which means that at five minutes per car you could get 12 cars back on the road in an hour even if you only had a tiny generator that ran one pump. Even if you were getting the gas from the tanks by hand you still would be able to get more cars running.

72 posted on 01/25/2024 3:32:53 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear ( In a quaint alleyway, they graciously signaled for a vehicle on the main road to lead the way. )
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To: Red Badger

““Who Killed the Electric Car?” explored the possibility that government and industry forces conspired to ensure the failure of the prototype electric vehicle of the mid-1990s: the General Motors EV1.”

I knew a person who had leased an EV1 (there were no sales, only leases). He told me that the battery was lead acid - so no Tesla-type fires, but you also didn’t get very far with it either, not at all. He told me about one time when he was driving it to conference to give a talk on EVs and it very nearly ran out of battery - kind of embarrassing if that had happened. LOL.


73 posted on 01/25/2024 4:02:46 PM PST by BobL (Trump gets my vote, even if I have to write him in; Millions of others will do the same)
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To: from occupied ga

Amen. But the analogies go deep. I grew up in a railroading family. My father started out shoveling coal as a fireman on the Moffat Road in Colorado. Worked his way up to Division Engineer, and eventually running a heavy-tonnage railroad in MN. (I was an apprentice diesel-electric loco mechanic before going on to grad school) He loved steam but always said it just couldn’t match the economics...

I remember one of his stories about the Burlington on a route between Chicago and Denver. Had to pull steam engines out of retirement because the Platte River flooding was shorting out the traction motors on the early F3s(?).

The fireboxes were high-enough above the rails there was no problem for the steam engines. Hell, cynically, the cooling of the cylinders probably increased the thermodynamic efficiency.


74 posted on 01/25/2024 6:17:20 PM PST by NelsTandberg ( )
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To: FamiliarFace

Yeah, and this county went Trump in 2016 by 65%-35%. The town is full of farms, and Trump signs during campaigns.


75 posted on 01/25/2024 6:37:05 PM PST by SaxxonWoods (Are you ready for Black Lives MAGA? It's coming.)
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To: Tell It Right

Wow, thanks. You sound like an engineer. Glad you like the car, that’s what matters when all is said and done.


76 posted on 01/25/2024 6:40:06 PM PST by SaxxonWoods (Are you ready for Black Lives MAGA? It's coming.)
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To: Noumenon

Teslas use “regenerative braking”. Probably all EVs do.

In essence the motor becomes a generator and as it creates electricity the resulting resistance brakes the car.

I friend of mine bought a 2014 Tesla, drove it every day, and when he sold it in 2021 (to buy another Tesla) he had never had to replace the brakes. He did have to buy tires more often than for a comparable ICE car.


77 posted on 01/25/2024 6:58:34 PM PST by Pelham (President Eisenhower. Operation Wetback 1953-54)
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To: SaxxonWoods

I’m in farm country for sure. I like to say we are semi-rural, but we are really close to farms, lots of ‘em. Not even a quarter mile from my home.

I like to say that we live in a suburb of a suburb of Indy. Cutest little Midwest town you’ve ever seen. Hoping against hope that we can keep it that way, but half of the planning commission is progressives, so I doubt it will stay this quaint much longer. It was a good run.

No EV charging stations yet, so that’s encouraging.


78 posted on 01/25/2024 7:13:21 PM PST by FamiliarFace (I got my own way of livin' But everything gets done With a southern accent Where I come from. TPetty)
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To: NelsTandberg
The diesel unit would probably have been an EMD FT. The Moffat line might have been the D&RGW and featured a locomotive like this


79 posted on 01/25/2024 7:17:44 PM PST by Pelham (President Eisenhower. Operation Wetback 1953-54)
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To: SaxxonWoods
I am a quasi-retired software engineer, with most of my experience being on the backend data side. Obama made my power company shut down a coal plant and replace it with “clean burning natural gas” fueled plants, then Brandon issued EO’s making it harder to drill for natural gas and oil. They made my power bill, natural gas bill, and cost at the pump go through the roof.

So in 2021 I used the skills the Lord blessed me with to start an ambitious project to make my wife and me more energy self-reliant with solar. I installed solar at half the size I wanted to study it for a year to make sure it works as well through the seasons as I expected. It did. So I converted my 2 natural gas appliances to electric, replaced one of our ICE cars with an EV; and added onto the solar. IMHO I hit the sweet spot of doing enough to take advantage of the economies of scale, but not go so far I’m fighting the law of diminishing returns. My hybrid water heater has a built-in heat pump that outputs a byproduct of cold air. During the warm 7 months of the year I use duct dampeners to direct that cold air into a receiver of my HVAC. For the 2 to 3 hours my water heater runs every day in the warm months, that means 2 to 3 hours that my variable speed heat pump cooling my house can operate at low speed. And because those 2 main home appliances work with a low power load, and because my EV has the option to charge somewhat slowly, there’s rarely a time when the total power load of my house exceeds the 18 kW AC power that my solar inverters can produce. Thus it’s rare that my inverters have to get help from the grid. These little tweaks that anyone can do with a pencil and paper, make my overall home work better than the sum of the parts. Anybody else could have made it produce about 70% of his power needed, pulling only 30% from the grid. The extra number crunching I do adds just another 10% or so to make us 80% energy self-reliant.

The #1 thing the EV brings to the table for me is it allows us to extend our home energy independence out onto the road, at least for local driving. If I could drill and refine oil on my own I would, and never give EV’s a thought. In many ways ICE cars are better. Except for the one major problem that depending solely on ICE cars for transportation means depending on an overly regulated gas and oil market that the Dims like to screw with. By having one EV and one ICE car, the Dims would have to mess up both power and gasoline access to prevent us from driving. Even if they mess up both, we could still do local driving in the EV charged at home with solar.

80 posted on 01/26/2024 4:18:37 AM PST by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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