Posted on 12/03/2023 11:31:10 AM PST by 4Runner
Too many people give too much deference to the "courts."
The Courts got steered wrong by William Rawle, and they have never recovered from the damage.
The offspring born within the jurisdiction of an illegal alien mother is a naturalized U.S. citizen at birth, but not an Art. II, §1, Cl. 5 natural born citizen.
I agree. It’s not rocket science. We elect our commander-in-chief. Art. II, §1, Cl. 5 natural born citizenship clause is the only Presidential requirement that directly addresses this point.
Needs to be examined in light of what it meant when written by the Founders.
Citizen and Natural Born Citizen and Naturalized Citizen are different animals.
Re: 81 - to me, this really is a function of the Legislative branch doing less and less of what it did in the past - legislate. That vacuum invites the Executive and Judiciary (depending on judicial philosophy) to become more engaged.
Issues like Chevron deference would not be the issues they are if the Legislative branch made modifications to laws.
I don’t see the Congress acting different until one party or the other gains more of a majority.
FTFY
Jindal, and 0bama, and McCain are all technically not eligible by the wording of the constitution, but the most basic fundamental law of the land is no longer in effect for some reason. Just look at the “quick trials” of the J-6 folks...
No, because the clause "AND SUBJECT TO THE LAWS THEREOF" is NOT in effect.
An illegal alien is not subject to the laws of the USA, but of their home country. The word jurisdiction evidently means something different to you.
No.
It was your citation, but you need to go back and read it again, without the filter of what you want it to say.
They were silent on the topic of persons born within the United States. They did want to make it clear that if you were traveling or stationed abroad, your children would still be US “natural born citizens”. So it could be taken as evidence that the first congress, the guys who either wrote or were involved in ratifying the Constitution took a broad view of who should be a “natural born citizen”.
Claiming that your sources say something they don’t is a good way to make sure that this NBC convo remains a topic for grumpy old farts in smokey back rooms.
“An illegal alien is not subject to the laws of the USA”
Dead wrong. SCOTUS cleared that up in 1898.
Allowed to do what? Jindal never ran for President.
-PJ
A natural born citizen is the Posterity of We the People.
-PJ
Neither are the children of foreigners. If their home country issued a warrant for their return, they're gone. If their home country recalled their parents to draft them to fight at war against the United States, they're gone.
Democrats? The Left want to remove the Natural Born Citizen requirement in their attempt to destroy the Weimar States of America.
They've already violated it twice; once with Obama and the second time with Kamala Harris.
“They did want to make it clear that if you were traveling or stationed abroad, your children would still be US “natural born citizens”.”
True, natural born citizens, but only if they were born of citizen parents, which you refuse to acknowledge. Why would they specify, of citizen parents? They already discussed aliens becoming citizens. They did not mention aliens becoming natural born citizens. The children of naturalized citizens would indeed be natural born citizens. Did you, by the way, just happened to slip across the border?
Let me ask you a question. Why is it that, long before this was ever a controversy, people were taught that natural born meant born of citizen parents. I was taught that in American history when I had American history in the 11th grade. Later on, in the 70s, when I went to college, I remember the old professor explaining what a natural born citizen was. He had a doctorate in history. My mother’s geneneration was taught that, she told me, and her mother’s also. Why did all these millions of people and all these highly educated people have it so wrong for so long.?
"in our democracy"
In our Constitutional Republic, all citizens have consented to be governed...
Sorry. Illegal aliens present within the jurisdiction ARE subject to its laws thereof.
I was 7 years old in Ramstein in 64 when my sister was born. I have always recalled the teacher telling us that she was eligible to become President. That was a big deal that every american can grow up to be president..
Its not worth much but its stuck with me all my life
I agree. I will say, I was surprised to find that out. I was adamant that it was not a real thing...but I found it hard to understand how it is. I always thought military bases overseas were US soil, but think that is only embassies.
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