Really, Mr. Mayor?
Posted on 11/30/2023 3:43:46 PM PST by Jan_Sobieski
LoL just skimmed the Wiki page you linked and from what I got it sounds hilarious! Remind me to tell you sometime why I find it even funnier than the Upper Canada Rebellion of 1837, which lasted a few hours but had the Colonial Office crapping their pants when news about it got back to London.
I won’t challenge you about it because you probably know more about that aspect of the trade issue than I ever will. My limited knowledge about trade issues is based on how it impacted Canada *after* the war had already broken out but I do know that slavery only became an issue when Lincoln was trying to bluff Britain into taking the North’s side while Britain insisted on remaining neutral.
Yep, most of rich plantation & irresponsible owners of the South were among the worst of them. Their agenda was to establish a new aristocracy that trapped black slaves at the bottom of the pyramid with poor white farmers & paid labourers at (barely) one level above them forever. The Confederacy was doomed from the beginning for that reason alone.
That's why the congress voted to pass the permanent slavery amendment by a 2/3rds margin.
If you've never heard of it, it's because it totally undercuts everything else they wish you to believe about the civil war.
This man did a pretty good job of discussing the "Corwin Amendment."
I know from direct experience in some parts of the South that the most common attitude, white or black, is that the Civil Rights struggle was so far in the past and so fuelled by extremists that it was best to put it behind them and move on. Unfortunately many extremists in the South and most extremists in the North were unwilling to let go to the point where race relations among typical Southerners now are objectively better than they ever were among Northerners.
Just my $0.02 from outside your country looking in.
Guessing I don’t need to look.
I have become cynical, because there are so many "news" sources that will lie or misdirect to get you to believe things that aren't true.
Yes, i've heard that race relations in the South are better than the North, and what i've read over the years makes me think this is probably correct.
Most of the serious problems I hear about are in places like Chicago, Detroit, Washington DC and Philadelphia.
I've heard of troubles in Atlanta, Houston and New Orleans, but I don't think they compare to the stuff coming out of the Northern cities and Los Angeles.
One American source (a TV documentary long ago when I didn’t have the time or resources to confirm) stated that Lincoln wanted to wait it out for a while to let everyone calm down but it became politically unfeasible to do so after the South attacked Fort Sumter. By that time any de-escalation was all but impossible for either side before it was too late. It would not surprise me if pressure from the Generals forced the politicians’ hands, because most were professionals and men of honour who realized that the war was already lost and continuing to fight would be both futile aand wasteful of blood & treasure. The same pattern was repeated in Germany throughout 1918.
Judging by what happened during the aftermath of that war and continuing to this day in America, it is tragic because true reconciliation is still nowhere in sight for the foreseeable future. I sincerely hope that I’m wrong because the rest of the world would be better off with a strong, united America.
Really, Mr. Mayor?
Talk about warping history.
I never heard of that specific issue but I am well aware that many industrialists in the 19th century were irresponsible “Robber Barons” as you describe and I have no doubt that they were more common in the North where industry was more concentrated while the Southern economy was largely agrarian. I can offer no more than poorly-informed speculation for how that state of affairs came about in the first place so I shouldn’t even try.
I only spent a week in NOLA at a bad time in my life when I was not in any mood to engage with the locals so I don’t really know. As for Atlanta, I was only there for a week of training in an unwalkable suburb (I don’t drive) that I spent little time outside the hotel even though I wanted to; the course was in a conference room at the same hotel where I was staying. My only dinner option was in the hotel dining room or a taxi somewhere too far to be practical timewise, and there wasn’t even an outdoor patio or bench to relax in the evening when it was comfortable outside; daytime was worse because it was surrounded by pavement without so much as a tree or lawn to mitigate the daytime heat.
There are cities I’ve been to that are smaller than Toronto that have the potential to be more livable than where I am now. I’m thinking specifically of Cleveland OH and Augusta GA but there are probably many others.
My own experience is that the Buffalo area and Niagara Falls, NY are awful even in daytime but the area near Fort Niagara and much of Lewiston are terrific for a day trip from here but don’t know how it is after dark. I know that the area around the Finger Lakes just south of Rochester and the entire run from the eastern end of Lake Ontario to Lake Champlain are breathtaking and that Plattsburgh’s best-kept secret is a State Park a few miles inland that is only half-full even on the July 4 weekend while the two campgrounds near the lake are booked solid every weekend through the summer.
Don’t even get me started about Detroit; when I went through downtown to get from the border checkpoint to the interstate going west I didn’t stop until I got to the next highway service centre roughly 25 miles from the city. Downtown Detroit is a scary ghost town even during the workday, to the point where whole office buildings are boarded up because the owners gave up on them ever being viable.
By the time I got off the Interstate at Battle Creek, MI to spend the weekend with four other people (only one of whom knew the couple who hosted us) I knew I was going to have fun even though I was first of us to arrive, a stranger to them and they invited me in anyway while we waited a few hours for the rest to arrive. My only regret was that I had to leave on Sunday to get back to my full-time job back home.
I have more but it is probably past my bedtime so I’ll leave off here :-)
“Leading Democrat claims Republicans refuse ‘to accept the results of the Civil War’”
Oh so close, he just got the parties mixed up. Johnson must have cut school and missed the 12 minutes when they “taught” about the Civil War.
BKMK
Frederick Douglass was a self-made man, who even defied his own children to take a white woman as his second wife, after his first wife had died. If it wasn't for his second wife, Helen Pitts, Douglass's home named Cedar Hill, in Washington, D.C., never would have been preserved as a museum. I visited his home many years ago. It is one of those unique places that has been preserved, and is a time capsule representing the time he lived there.
And?
That has what you do with the idiot in Chicago saying that all of his problems are because of Republicans
Tennessee provided 110 infantry, cavalry and artillery regiments/batteries to the Confederate Army. You are correct that East Tennessee were pro-union. Out in the flat lands to the west, the support for the Confederacy was strong.
South Carolina was ALWYAYS THE TROUBLMAKERS.
That's funny, because the only reason they attacked Sumter was because Lincoln sent a fleet of warships to attack them. It was the arrival of the "Harriet Lane" that made General Beauregard realize the telegrams he had received about the coming of the warships was true.
He knew that if he didn't neutralize the fort before the fleet arrived, he would have to face attack from both land and sea.
Every member of Lincoln's cabinet told him that if he sent that fleet, it would start a war. He may have fooled the public as to his intent, but his own cabinet knew he was deliberately starting a war.
The ships given orders to engage in this mission were the
Pocahontas, the Pawnee, the Powhatan, the Yankee, the Harriet Lane, and the "Baltic" was used as a troop and munitions carrier. Three tugboats were also sent. Captain Mercer was to lead the force.
It came about as a result of the Hamiltonian view of the role of government which advocated that government be used as a tool to make industries prosperous.
The Jeffersonian view was that government governs best which governs the least.
The Hamiltonian view urged protectionist tariffs that benefited Northern manufacturing over Southern agriculture.
And that is how they became so powerful.
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