Posted on 11/30/2023 3:43:46 PM PST by Jan_Sobieski
I believe they are relatives and that they both deserve free helicopter rides!
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The war wad about treason, and Lincoln was a softy. Traitors would have swung in 2 mounths of Jackson was President.
Mlk jr was a faulse prophet, unlike Fredrick Douglas.
Southern Unionists are great heros of mine. They were Jacksonian Unionists.
Yet, it was a man of the South, Jackson, a Small Government Conservatice, who would have crushed treason in it’s cradle.
"John Calhoun, if you secede from my nation, I will secede your head from the rest of your body."
And it wasn't treason. The nation was founded on the principle of self determination, and every state had a right to leave.
“It is to be regretted that the rich and powerful too often bend the acts of government to their own selfish purposes.”
And while we are on this topic, I want someone to explain whether or not they knew it was impossible to extend slavery into the territories and were just lying, or were they really so ignorant?
Everything west of Texas can only be grown as a consequence of modern irrigation systems which didn't exist in the 1800s.
There would have been few to none slaves in the territory, but they sure used the threat of it to keep power.
Yeah well: “The tarrif issue was only pretext and disunion and a Southern Confederacy the real object. The next pretext will be the slavery question.”
I’m from Maine originally but I wish the South had won.
Maine has a proud record of never voting for the traitor fdr.
Obviously doesn’t understand who started the civil war. Republican fought it and ended it. As far as I can tell the party of rebellion and Jim Crow are the only ones who don’t accept it
If my reading of CW history is correct most of Tenn remained loyal to the Union and parts of east Tenn were down right hostile to confederate troops being in their midst.
Confederate General "Fighting Joe" Wheeler was my 6th cousin, 7th removed.
The dumbass, racist mayor of Chicongo is “a leading Democrat”?
That’s funny.
"Leading Democrat claims Republicans refuse 'to accept the results of the Civil War'"
FR: Never Accept the Premise of Your Opponent’s Argument
One significant result of the Civil War that Democrats and RINOs refuse to accept imo is Section 2 of the 14th Amendment. That section is a penalty for states where ballot box fraud has occurred, the J6 Congress wrongly obstructing the due process of Section 2 when they voted to accept Biden's electoral votes in 2021 despite allegations of ballot box fraud in several states imo.
As you give Section 2 a look, note the zero tolerance "hair triggers" for enforcing that section. That section would probably have worked in favor of Trump's red tsunami of patriot supporters in 2020 and 2022 elections if it weren't for the corrupt, constitutionally undefined political parties that have pirated control of state and federal governments imo.
"is denied to any"
"or in any way abridged,"
Excerpted from 14A:
"Section 2: Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged [emphases added], except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State." [Apportionment of Representatives]
"Section 5: The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article."
“3. The Constitution was written to be understood by the voters [emphasis added]; its words and phrases were used in their normal and ordinary as distinguished from technical meaning; where the intention is clear, there is no room for construction [spin] and no excuse for interpolation or addition.” —United States v. Sprague, 1931.
States that allow illegal aliens to vote wrongly weaken the constitutionally enumerated voting power of ordinary qualified citizens imo.
What is really disturbing about the apportionment aspect of Section 2 is the following imo.
Consider that the post-Civil War congressional Republicans who drafted that section made it to discourage Southern Democrats (my words) from rigging the ballot boxes that Democrats are now alleged to have done for 2020, 2022 and possibly earlier elections!
"Because slavery (except as punishment for crime) had been abolished by the Thirteenth Amendment, the freed slaves would henceforth be given full weight for purposes of apportionment. This situation was a concern to the Republican leadership of Congress, who worried that it would increase the political power of the former slave states, even as such states continued to deny freed slaves the right to vote." —Apportionment of Representatives
In fact, if this were a better world, then the feds and media would be publicly reminding the states for every election to be careful not to do anything that would justify the feds darkening their doorway to audit an election to determine if Section 2 has been compromised imo.
The problem now is that political party elites are obstructing (imo) the due process of Section 2 concerning allegations of vote-counting fraud in the 2020 and 2022 elections in several states imo. This is evidenced by the federal lawmakers who voted to accept Biden's electoral votes on J6 despite allegations of ballot box fraud imo.
The immediate remedy to deal with corrupt political parties is to primary ALL incumbent lawmakers and executives in state and federal governments in 2024, except for MTG, Gaetz & Company (and others?).
Incumbents need to be replaced with patriots who not only respect the federal government's constitutionally limited powers, but will also support hopeful Trump 47 to finish draining the swamp.
Finally, consider that probably the main reason that we hear media complaints about the electoral college is that it is the only thing stopping the corrupt political parties from establishing a permanent puppet presidency that will unquestioningly sign unconstitutional taxing and spending bills into law.
I blame neither America nor the blacks who came in because the issue historically is not either/or. The primary responsibility begins with the African tribal chieftains who sold their own subjects into slavery, through the Arabs and Europeans so that it was commonplace in European colonies worldwide at the same time as the Americas.
Legal chattel slavery only officially ended in the early 1960s when Saudi Arabia was the last country to ban it. Even now, the slave trade persists in Africa and the Far East, usually in failed states where no one has the resources to even try shutting it down. It’s tragic but no outsiders are able to solve their problems for them. The most we can do is be available when they’re ready to accept our help.
To your original point, the question is unanswerable by anyone who tries to judge the past by today’s standards.
Cheers, FRiend
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Well the question people ought to be asking is why did they want out so badly?
My favourite secessionist movement was the Conch Republic that took place within the last 30-40 years in the USA :-)
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