Posted on 10/18/2023 7:50:15 AM PDT by Red Badger
If you are going to get so overly upset regarding your inability to read with comprehension and write posts that are comprehendible, I recommend you avoid posting to Free Republic until you obtain the requisite skills.
You can’t comprehend a simple statement and act like a 4 year old having a tantrum but I should stop talking. Right.
I looked at all posts directed to you up to your post at #58 where you wrote (and I quote): "... all of a sudden I get the attacks, ‘you didn’t hate him like us’ stuff." I have included everyone you posted to when stating you were attacked.
As I said, I read them all. And you have managed to mischaracterize your received replies even more poorly than the shooting. The only replies posted to you contained issues with the words you selected and how you characterized the situation. I will state it plainly; regardless of how you feel, nobody attacked you. And although I cannot relate to your plight, I wish you success in overcoming your handicap and hope you will do better in future threads.
So please, Beowolf9, just relax. Alec will probably just get a slap on the wrist for shooting someone, but most importantly, I am certain he will continue to appear in all of your favorite check-out line publications.
You may be correct. But I am trying to get through you poor syntax the best I can.
I cannot hear you talking so please go right ahead. However, I do recommend you stop writing.
What's not accurate?
Well, since you asked:
That actors are not expected to be trained on firearms any more than they're expected to be trained on harnesses, air bags, aircraft, surgery, parachuting, car chases, explosives, electronics, etc.?
Actors are specifically given firearms saftey training prior to any scene or rehersal in which that actor needs to handle a firearm. That's written into several union contracts and has been standard industry practice for many years, even before Brandon Lee's death in 1993, and doubly so after. Baldwin himself has had safety training many times over the course of his long career. It has not been established in court if he recieved that saftey training on this set, but the public record shows that others had been involved in several safety briefings.
That the director is responsible for placement of ballistic shields when using live ammunition?
"ballistic sheilds" are not used on set, nor is "live" ammunition. Blanks are commonly used, but the shot is set up either with a remote head camera, so that no camera operator is even remotely in the line of fire of the blank round, or the shot is set up so that it apears that the firearm is pointed at the camera when it is not.
That the armorer is responsible for whether or not each firearm on set is loaded or unloaded?
The armorer is the first person with this responsibility. Her counsel will argue that there were "unforseeable intervening actors" who took actions that she could not have forseen and which were necessary for this unfortuneate outcome. Those people are: the AD, who shcould have checked the pistol, Baldwin who should have checked the pistol and who should have not pulled the trigger. But the liability of one party does not necessarily releive other parties of their own liability.
That in some states such as California, the armorer has to be licensed?
This occurred in New Mexico, but since you're referencing California, you must be referrring to CPC 29500, which they call an "Entertainment Firearms Permit". It's an administrative exemption to California's record keeping requirements for transfers of guns used as props. There are no particular training requirements.
29500. Any person who is at least 21 years of age may apply for an entertainment firearms permit from the Department of Justice. An entertainment firearms permit authorizes the permitholder to possess firearms loaned to the permitholder for use solely as a prop in a motion picture, television, video, theatrical, or other entertainment production or event.That the insurer often requires an approved armorer?
Approved by whom? Was there anything to suggest (before this unfortunate ND) that Hannah Gutierrez was not fully qualified under the rules that obtained for this production at the time? Doubtless Ms. Gutierrez' qualifications will be discussed at trial, but that's also a problem for Baldwin. He was a producer, and would have shared responsibility to hire only qualified personnel for this and other jobs on that set.
That the practice could have been done with a a blue safety gun or a prop gun instead of a real one?
It's called a "rehersal", but, whatever.
What's a "blue safety gun"? A fake gun, a hunk of plastic? It could have, but the counter-factual is irrelevant to the facts of the case. You're also confused about the distinction of a "prop gun" to a "real gun". A firearm, be it functional, fake, plastic, or disabled owned by the property department is a "prop gun". In other words, real guns have been used on set for decades as props, and merely designating something as a 'prop' doesn't mean that it's not fully functional. Guns can be props. Functional automobiles can be props. Real Ipads can be props. It's just movie lingo.
If you will but keep posting, I'm sure that you will generate further errors that the members of this forum will be more than happy to correct.
A safety briefing doesn't remove the responsibility from the armorer.
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Safety Bulletins by Industry-Wide Labor-Management Safety Committee for the Motion Picture and Television Industry
https://www.csatf.org/production-affairs-safety/safety-bulletins/
https://www.csatf.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/02LIVE_AMMUNITION.pdf
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"ballistic sheilds" are not used on set,
Industry Wide Labor-Management Safety Committee Safety Bulletin #2, Special Use of "Live Ammunition"
11. Protective shields, eye, and hearing protection or other appropriate Personal Protective Equipment (PPE) shall be issued and utilized by all personnel in close proximity and/or directly in the line of fire.
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nor is "live" ammunition. Blanks are commonly used, but the shot is set up either with a remote head camera, so that no camera operator is even remotely in the line of fire of the blank round, or the shot is set up so that it apears that the firearm is pointed at the camera when it is not.
Industry Wide Labor-Management Safety Committee Safety Bulletin #2, Special Use of "Live Ammunition"
On controlled second units, there may be a very rare occasion when "LIVE AMMUNITION" must be used to obtain an effect. In those very special circumstances, "LIVE AMMUNITION" may be used only if the following criteria and special conditions have been met... 1. The Director, Producer, Director of Photography, First Assistant Director, Special Effects Technician and the licensed Property Master (or, in his/her absence, the weapons handler and/or other appropriate personnel determined by the locality or the needs of the production) have jointly determined a situation exists in which there is no other practical alternative but to use "LIVE AMMUNITION" to achieve the effect.
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The armorer is the first person with this responsibility. Her counsel will argue that there were "unforseeable intervening actors" who took actions that she could not have forseen and which were necessary for this unfortuneate outcome. Those people are: the AD, who shcould have checked the pistol, Baldwin who should have checked the pistol and who should have not pulled the trigger. But the liability of one party does not necessarily releive other parties of their own liability.
Industry Wide Labor-Management Safety Committee Safety Bulletin #2, Special Use of "Live Ammunition"
The Property Master (or, in his/her absence, the weapons handler and/or other appropriate personnel determined by the locality or the needs of the production) will be the individual acting in the interest of the producer for obtaining, maintaining and handling all firearms for the production.
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[That in some states such as California, the armorer has to be licensed] This occurred in New Mexico, but since you're referencing California, you must be referrring to CPC 29500, which they call an "Entertainment Firearms Permit". It's an administrative exemption to California's record keeping requirements for transfers of guns used as props. There are no particular training requirements.
Industry Wide Labor-Management Safety Committee Safety Bulletin #2, Special Use of "Live Ammunition"
4. Additionally, the permission and/or a permit shall be obtained from the authority having jurisdiction (AHJ) (sheriff, police, county, city, township, military base, or agency having authority to issue this type of permit).
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[That the insurer often requires an approved armorer?] Approved by whom?
Industry Wide Labor-Management Safety Committee Safety Bulletin #2, Special Use of "Live Ammunition"
5. The insurance company providing insurance for the production should be notified of the intention to use "LIVE AMMUNITION" and the circumstances surrounding the special use and conditions. Approval must be obtained for the use of "LIVE AMMUNITION."
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...that's also a problem for Baldwin. He was a producer, and would have shared responsibility to hire only qualified personnel for this and other jobs on that set.
Industry Wide Labor-Management Safety Committee Safety Bulletin #2, Special Use of "Live Ammunition"
11. The Property Master (or, in his/her absence, the weapons handler and/or other appropriate personnel determined by the locality or the needs of the production) with the appropriate licenses required by the authority having jurisdiction (AHJ), shall procure and maintain the proper firearms to achieve the effect and determine that the firearm is in good and safe working condition. The firearms will be kept in the control of only the Property Master (or, in his/her absence, the weapons handler and/or other appropriate personnel determined by the locality or the needs of the production).
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What's a "blue safety gun"? A fake gun, a hunk of plastic? It could have, but the counter-factual is irrelevant to the facts of the case. You're also confused about the distinction of a "prop gun" to a "real gun". A firearm, be it functional, fake, plastic, or disabled owned by the property department is a "prop gun". In other words, real guns have been used on set for decades as props, and merely designating something as a 'prop' doesn't mean that it's not fully functional. Guns can be props. Functional automobiles can be props. Real Ipads can be props. It's just movie lingo.
Industry Wide Labor-Management Safety Committee Safety Bulletin #2, Special Use of "Live Ammunition"
11. SUCH FIREARMS WILL NOT BE USED AS PROPS.
12. On days where the production will be utilizing firearms for "LIVE AMMUNITION" firing and have replicas and/or a “prop firearm,” the Property Master (or, in his/her absence, the weapons handler and/or other appropriate personnel determined by the locality or the needs of the production) shall identify the "LIVE AMMUNITION" firearms by color or some other easily recognizable means of identification. These types of firearms shall never be kept together and/or stored together.
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If you will but keep posting, I'm sure that you will generate further errors that the members of this forum will be more than happy to correct.
You're more than welcome to take it up with the Industry-Wide Labor-Management Safety Committee for the Motion Picture and Television Industry.
Some of the citations may be from Safety Bulletin #1, not #2.
“””She was the director.”””
When you find your sources be sure and post them, by the way, the director survived the shooting.
As an aside do you know about guns in the Baldwin family?
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