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Ron Paul in 1998: FBI Was Designed To Spy On Americans Who Disagreed With Foreign Policy
Real Clear Politics ^ | August 9, 2022 | Ian Schwartz

Posted on 07/07/2023 8:15:55 AM PDT by Angelino97

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To: AndyJackson
A caroon version of libertarianism has taken over your brain and is distorting rational thought. There is a difference between liberatarians and libertines.

The cartoon version is real. The second tranny I ever saw was at an LP convention over 15 years ago.

(Most Freepers have never met a tranny. I've met three since the 1990s. And a co-worker told me about her friend who had tranny surgery. So four trannies have crossed my path over the past 25 years. That's what comes of living in a liberal bastion.)

21 posted on 07/07/2023 12:09:08 PM PDT by Angelino97
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To: Angelino97

Again, you are describing libertines not libertarians. Libertarians are not nihilists. There origin is in the old classical liberal part of the UK.


22 posted on 07/07/2023 12:55:28 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: CodeToad

An “investigation” body for the DOJ is not intrinsically an intention to “spy” (warrantless collection of personal data with no purpose than warrantless collection of personal data). To claim it was intrinsically (by design) intended to “spy” on people, is no different than sayin all state and local police investigatory outfits are “by design” intended to “spy” on Americans. Yet, there is no such basis for saying all U.S. policing authority for “investigations” is “intended” to “spy” on us.


23 posted on 07/07/2023 1:05:32 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: ModelBreaker

“Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.”

No. It is “absolute” that is the primary aspect of a power that corrupts, not an individual power.

And an absolute power is a power than cannot be checked, that has no checks and balances that can be placed against it. But that last point is not impossible to do against an FBI which legaslation puts limits on its authority and limites on its operations.

And one of the essential problems that has failed that last point is “laws” passed by Congress that have been too opaque (not tight, not totally transparent, not specific enough) that has given way to the DOJ going after “crimes” that are no more than merely the DOJ’s interpretation things in a poorly written law. Congress can fix that and if Congress does not then it is not “absolute” power exercized by the DOJ/FBI but a lax exercise of the powers Congress has over all the executive branch.

If we have a dictarial executive branch, it is the creation of Congress not the agencies Congress fails to control.


24 posted on 07/07/2023 1:15:28 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: Angelino97
Ron Paul, is Libertarian in outlook. More so than Rand is.

He had a huge number college age groupies. I saw some of that collection the first time Rick Perry ran for governor. The convention was in Ft. Worth. Ron and his groupies ate at the same restaurant as my wife and I did.

Why so many? A lot of them wanted pot legalized, from what I've heard.

Ron Paul was/is right about a lot of things. But is also strange.

Both Ron and Rand are very outspoken and they have always been dedicated to reducing the size of government and government spending.

25 posted on 07/08/2023 1:19:48 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Texas is not about where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind and Attitude.)
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