Mangled debris from doomed Titan sub is brought ashore in Canada ten days after it suffered 'catastrophic implosion' 12,500ft below Atlantic near the Titanic wreck, killing all five on board

Daily Mail UK ^ | June 28, 2023 | James Gant

[GreenHornet]

My guess: Somebody wanted to make an effort to mask possible sudden appearances of human remains.

That was my thought also. We were told the people were completely obliterated by the implosion. Imagine how unnerving it would be if an arm fell out while they were hoisting parts of the craft onto the dock.

[EVO X]

“James Cameron said the submersible was only a few thousand feet down when it imploded.”

Speculation based on what?

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Cameron would need some inside info such as an email from a crew member onboard the support vessel that Titan was trying to return to the surface.

I am more inclined to believe the Titan imploded near the ocean floor. The salvage operation quickly recovered the heavy pieces and a tail side panel. If it imploded closer to to the surface it seems to me the debris field would be bigger and the recovery process would have taken longer.

[NorthWoody]

I thought the same thing. “Hey Stocky, old boy, the space age was over 50 years ago”.

[Yardstick]

Yeah, they weren’t obliterated. Just like Udau and Qusay Hussein weren’t obliterated when the Marines fired TOW missiles into their compound. Or tank crews aren’t obliterated when they take a direct hit. The human body is mostly made of water which means it’s mostly incompressible, which means it isn’t affected as much as one might expect in events involving sudden extreme pressure changes. They were killed instantly but they weren’t turned into pink goo.

[NorthWoody]

I used to work as a contractor on site at a flagship facility of a large, well-known company that makes many types of adhesives, along with lots of other stuff.

I picked up a few tidbits of info over the years, and adhesives can really do some amazing things, but I wouldn’t want to trust my life to epoxy at 6000 psi.

Trivia: the adhesive on post-it notes was invented by accident, as part of the process of inventing some other type of adhesive.

[NorthWoody]

And people talk about the sudden compression of the air in the hull causing the temperature to instantly rise to 10,000 degrees. Well, okay, maybe it did, but how long could that temperature have lasted when all the air was expelled in a fraction of a second into a bajillion trillion gallons of 38-degree seawater?

Not long, I’d say, so there are probably bones, clothing, and pieces of tissue large enough to identify still remaining.

[EVO X]

Sorry to a bit macabre, but it seems to me investigators will determine the implosion depth if any remains are found..

[Yardstick]

Yep, that too. You can’t just think about an instantaneous temperature. You have to think in terms of energy transfer which means you have to take time into account.

It’s the same deal with the pressure. There would have been huge pressure differentials but they would have been balanced almost instantly as the water surrounded everything in the vessel. In my opinion the pressure effects would not have done visibly obvious damage to the bodies. The only obvious damage would have been from the structure of the vessel impinging on the bodies as it collapsed. That damage would have been severe — crushing and tearing — but it wouldn’t have been a reduction to pink goo.

[linMcHlp]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titan_submersible_implosion

[linMcHlp]

Radar images of the seabed, showing the bow section and the stern section of the RMS TITANIC - in separate fields that are 1,970 feet apart.

A circle with 1,600 ft radius, is drawn around the bow section of the RMS TITANIC - defining the range from the RMS TITANIC bow section . . . where the OceanGate submersible TITAN Cyclops 2 was found.

“Off the bow” usually means, in an area that is forward from the bow - in the range of port bow to starboard bow.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/graphics/2023/06/22/debris-titanic-confirmed-missing-sub-maps-graphics-explain-titan-submarine-submersible/70347673007/

[linMcHlp]

Reply 49, one of the titanium rings that were glued to the Carbon Fibre Composite pressure hull cylinder:

The other titanium ring - showing several deformations:

[spirited irish]

Amazingly clear underwater pictures.

[linMcHlp]

My mistake re the relative position: "The pressure hull would be further down along the 5:45 o'clock position." - in my reply 50.

Using for reference, a photo of the starboard quarter:

So the pressure hull relative to the gear that is in the photo at my reply 50, would be at 11:00 o'clock.

[EVO X]

Interesting interview. It runs about 45 minutes.

Title: He Tried To Warn The Titan Sub Of Its Downfall

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n40ukuk9Ay4

“the Titan submarine’s downfall and the man who tried to stop it. In this video I interviewed Karl Stanley a man who built his own submersible and got a chance to test the Titan submarine and warn its Captain about its issue, in this video we go over his experience dealing with the captain and what he thinks went wrong with the Titan sub”