Afghans were willing to fight. But we abandoned them on the battlefield.

Washington Post ^ | 8/19/2021 | Elliot Ackerman

[End Times Sentinel]

We need to make a deal with our Gulf allies and have them live in places like Doha, Qatar and Dubai, UAE.

Couldn't agree more! Their neighbors like all the former Soviet "Stans" would be a good place to put them, much better than the U.S. where they won't fit in for generations.

However, when is the last time a muzzy nation did us a solid? Few and far between and usually limited to letting us lease land for their defense or allowing passage through their airspace.

[MinorityRepublican]

I don’t know the region well enough but I don’t think Afghan refugees would fit in the former Stans that well because those countries appear to be secular due to Soviet/Communist influence. Gulf nations are fundamentalist just like Afghanistan so the Afghan refugees would fit in better. Unless one of the Stans (I’m thinking of Uzbekistan or Kazakhstan) have become Islamist in the past few decades but I haven’t read anything about that.

[stuck_in_new_orleans]

Weve been holding their hands for 20 years

[Trumpisourlastchance]

They were not willing to fight. They ran and flew away.

[dfwgator]

Funny, the interview I heard on Bongino said that 3 out of 4 Afghans were smoking hash from sun up to sun down, lazy, unorganized, no motivation,...

"Have you sustained any casualties?"

"As a matter of fact, man, the whole platoon's wiped out."

[Radix]

I do not think that you know what you are talking about.

[Chauncey Gardiner]

Biden stopped maintenance on Afghan military aircraft right after taking office. Hard to fight with no air cover.

[Jim Noble]

« Hard to fight with no air cover.«

Did the Taliban have air cover?

[lodi90]

Do we really want to bring in 50,000 afghanis/dual citizens (with taliban sympathies) back to the U.S.?

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50k? It will be at least 500k after everybody’s cousin and grandma gets in via chain migration. This is Somalia x 10. Or more. Time will tell.

[End Times Sentinel]

50k? It will be at least 500k after everybody’s cousin and grandma gets in via chain migration. This is Somalia x 10. Or more. Time will tell.

I could not agree more! This is being looked at as a foreign policy disaster, but it'll be a domestic disaster within 10 years.

[LouAvul]

I have never witnessed a more shameful U.S. failure than that of this week

I have to recall the Bay Of Pigs after the above statement. That was shameful and traitorous as well.

[GJones2]

>> "Afghanis are cowards with no Western values, who will turn and run at the first opportunity to abandon their wives and children. That much is obvious." <<

Deaths by Afghan military - 69,000; Afghan civilians - 51,000 : Afghan total - 120,000

(Afghan population - 38 million)

American military deaths in combat since 2014 have been in the low double digits or single digits.

(American population - 328 million)

[GJones2]

>> Do we really want to bring in 50,000 afghanis/dual citizens (with taliban sympathies) back to the U.S.? <<

No, but some refugees who stuck their necks out to defy the Taliban might make good citizens, and I don’t think it’s honorable to abandon the ones who worked closely with us. Having a large influx of Muslims in general, though — when some of our worst enemies are Islamists — will almost certainly be harmful, and it’s one more bad consequence of returning in defeat from Afghanistan.

Since 2014, in a support role, the United States (a country of over 328 million) was having annual combat deaths in the low double digits or even single digits. Compare that with the 96 American roofers who died in 2018. We could have held out — if necessary — until the sun burned out (or as long as the Taliban, anyway).

[GJones2]

>> Did the Taliban have air cover? <<

No, but they have been accustomed to fighting without it all along. The Taliban may well be better fighters if fighting under equal conditions, but I still don’t like seeing them win, and it could have been prevented. It’s understandably demoralizing for the government troops to suddenly find themselves fighting without the support they have relied on in the past.

Apparently in two decades steps weren’t taken to gradually turn over maintenance and operation of air power to the Afghan government forces (not our latest and greatest equipment, of course, but enough to hold off the Taliban) — or not done adequately, anyway. Without facing air power themselves I’d expect old equipment in the hands of the Afghans would be effective.

[A strike]

No more Ilhan Nur Said Omar, little Somolia/little Kabul in the West, especially in the UnitedStates, oh hell NO.

[lepton]

We helped them fight for 20 years. The real problem is that we couldn’t stop Pakistan from sheltering the Taliban and keeping it alive.

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We also had our people or contractors in the key positions, and in the support positions, while setting them up with a system which relied on those people - and then suddenly yanked the people and support.

We didn’t transfer the logistics of feeding, paying, and supplying their military, just left it to them to work it out on the fly. We left huge supply depots unguarded, having snuck out without informing the Afghani government while the Taliban took what they wanted. We set them up with an integrated tech-based military, and then took away the ability to use it - and effectively told the Taliban we weren’t going to help.

[End Times Sentinel]

Deaths by Afghan military - 69,000; Afghan civilians - 51,000 : Afghan total - 120,000

(Afghan population - 38 million)

American military deaths in combat since 2014 have been in the low double digits or single digits.

Since it was their civil war, and we lost 2,400, kinda seems like there was a lot more lifting to do on their part.