Pfizer-BioNTech files for U.S. approval of COVID-19 vaccine

Reuters ^ | May 7, 2021 9:52 AM EDT

[Steve Van Doorn]

"capitalist nation - might make a profit?"
Forced use of something not proven is corporatism which is the antithesis of capitalism.

now we have VAERS not reporting the reports that are given to them suggest there is a MASSIVE cover up by the corporatist system.

[Kinzua]

No thanks. I still retain the right to refuse vaccines without any explanation on my part. A couple of years should be long enough to get a better picture of any long term adverse consequences. I feel my decision is very reasonable. Would have been considered common sense before the big scare.

[grey_whiskers]

Nice strawmen. Why inject 12-year olds (ka-ching $$)

with an undertested experimental substance,

which has had more reported fatalities in VAERS (in less than a year)

than all vaccines reported to VAERS put toghether, for a virus that kills 70-year-olds

and leaves 12-year-olds alone?

[Kinzua]

Since when does one have to justify such a decision. I’ve decided not to be vaccinated... end of story.

[grey_whiskers]

Huh. So now magically this virus has morphed into 40% fatalities, just in time for your fictitious strawman example.

Just like if you averaged Bill Gates' net worth (pre-divorce) and mine, there'd be an average net worth of over $50 billion.

My bank still won't let me borrow against that, though.

[2aProtectsTheRest]

That’s not really how biology works. There is no difference between “natural” immunity and immunity from vaccination. It all stems from dendritic cells taking samples from the identified foreign material (i.e. antigens) to lymph nodes to begin antigen-specific T cell production. Those antigen-specific T cells then locate matching B cells and trigger B cell self-replication and antibody production. The S protein from the vaccine is 100% nucleotide-for-nucleotide identical to the one in the Wuhan SARS-CoV-2 virus and the April 2020 variant.

A small shift in the structure of the S protein will - in fact - reduce the effectiveness of antibody site binding. This has already been observed. There’s a chart for how the different variants impact effectiveness of the various vaccines here: https://www.nejm.org/na101/home/literatum/publisher/mms/journals/content/nejm/0/nejm.ahead-of-print/nejmc2100362/20210324/images/img_xlarge/nejmc2100362_t1.jpeg

So yes, less effective. That’s what the data says.

[2aProtectsTheRest]

“Forced use”? Haha. Zero people have been forced.

[David Chase]

You are correct. It’s the most simple thing, the most American thing is to decide your own health care.

When people post their reasons, while trying to convince others (convince whom I don’t know) they open themselves up to a challenge.

On other social media sites, in the early days of vaccine disbursement, there were people actually saying and believing the mRNA vaccine would change the vaxxed into lizards.

That fringe didn’t disappear, they tweaked their falsehoods. Probably realizing how insane the original sounded.

Your reason can not be challenged. Because it’s the ONLY logical reason.
My reason for getting vaccinated also falls in the category.

You’re not spinning lies, I’m not spinning lies, we’re simple deciding.

Excellent point.

Have a great day.

[ransomnote]

The CDC pretty much throttled publishing records to VAERS and had over 75% unpublished reports more than a month ago. They only upload small amounts of records now. Now when the CDC updates records, they are from January and December.

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Excerpt below is from notes paraphrasing Dr. Peter McCullough, who specializes in treating severely ill Covid-19 patients (link at bottom):

When the FDA evaluates drug products or other biologic products  - there are two assessments of causality. One is by the local doctor and the other is by the sponsor or drug manufacturer. The FDA does not opine on causality (FDA doesn't opine on whether a death was due to a product).

A typical new drug, after 5 deaths, would get a black box warning. Your listeners would see that on TV, "May cause death...."

[ransomnote's edit:] 

Dr. McCullough: At about 50 deaths for a new product, it's pulled off the market.

We do have some precedent for vaccines. In the 1976 swine flu pandemic, we attempted to vaccinate 55 million Americans. There were 500 cases of Guianne Barre syndrome (ascending paralysis)  and 25 deaths. The program was killed at 25 deaths.

In the US today, we have approximately 77 million individuals fully vaccinated for Covid and we have 2602 deaths. 

[ransomnote: at the time of this writing, COVID DATA - OpenVaers states a total of 3544 deaths]

SNIP

On March 8, the CDC announced with little fanfare it had reviewed about 1600 deaths with unnamed FDA doctors and they indicated not a single death was related to the vaccine.

That was concerning in the academic community. I have chaired and participated in dozens of safety monitoring boards and critical endpoint committees, and I can tell you based on my experience that kind of work would have taken many months to review all the laboratories, the death certificates, and all the circumstances.

It is impossible for unnamed regulatory doctors without any experience with Covid-19 to opine that none of the deaths were related to the vaccines, so I think this was effectively a scrubbing, like we've seen elsewhere.

COVID Vaccine Killing Huge Numbers, Warns Leading Doctor – Liberty Sentinel [32 minute video]
libertysentinel.org ^ | April 28, 2021 | Dr. Peter McCullough, vanity

[ransomnote]

Since when does one have to justify such a decision. I’ve decided not to be vaccinated... end of story.
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Since the Biden Administration, fully owned and operated by China, decided to deploy the weaponized CDC to vaccinate the public and demand we carry vax passports.

They are now playing down the passports, but every ‘perk,’ benefit and threat you hear about now on the news requires a passport (free donuts, free beer, special seating in Yankee, Mets baseball parks, free museum admission).

When the public began to say, “No!” to vaccine passports, they quieted down that part and started waving more carrots and less stick. But you have to prove your vax status to get those carrots.

You called out a person pressuring others to get the vax PERFECTLY, and he backed down like a kitten, to continuing pressure tactics where others don’t expose him as well as you did.

[Kinzua]

Thank you for your gracious reply. However, I would contend that waiting long enough to ascertain the long term necessity and implications of accepting the vaccine is another logical reason. In the mean time, I will be considerate of others by practicing common sense precautions.

[Kinzua]

I suspect if enough folks decline to cede their natural rights and freedoms that excluding and alienating that portion of the populace will end up being too costly for those that choose those tactics. I don’t begrudge anyone who has chosen to take the vaccine if that is what they have freely decided without undue social pressure and coercion. I do think less of anyone who would allow themselves to be pressured make a decision that they weren’t entirely comfortable with.

[House Atreides]

“When in actuality, I’m sure you know, those that have had the vaccines are now shedding various strains of God knows what on others, that cause sickness and complications for them especially children. Apparently it’s admitted somewhere down in the fine print for the injections, that none of the approved figures on TV or in the government are allowed to discuss.”
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Those who have not had the vaccine and have had exposure to the COVID-19 virus are PERMANENTLY dropping an average of one IQ point a week… every week!

See…I can make crap up also.

[grey_whiskers]

Uh-huh.

Except that the body, in maintaining immunity to a real virus, has to contend with genetic drift and consequently, random, small changes to the antigens presented.

With an injection, guess what. Assembly line, dead material.

The more so with one bioengineered according to mRNA.

The lies are being uncovered and exposed as we speak.

[Steve Van Doorn]

you said, "“Forced use”? Haha. Zero people have been forced."
i'm not keeping track of all the countries that are forcing the citizens. In the US those that are forced are people at Old age homes. The mentally ill.
One video of an old lady pushing the needle away and telling them she doesn't want it ended up dead shortly after nurses physically held her down and gave her the shot.
Some countries such as New Zealand and Israel they're forced.

you said, "There is no difference between “natural” immunity and immunity from vaccination."
YOU are the one that pointed out the difference. These mRNA vaccines are keyed only to specific spike proteins. Which bypass the variants of the spike protein (you mistakenly said lowered the immunity with regard to variances.) Again YOU said this and i was agreeing with you. Now you seem to want to change your mind?

2aProtectsTheRest you have no logic in your arguments. Just arguments. like a relationship that gone bad or argue to spit someone you don't like. This is a sign of a mental illness in my opinion.

[dkGba]

F@%*K, I hope not. One step closer to being held down and jabbed OR unemployed and too young to retire, nowhere to work, and to old to be hired

[FreedomForce]

I pointed that out to him a few days ago.

https://freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3955998/posts?page=50#50

[grey_whiskers]