Secession Discussion (Vanity)

vanity | 12/11/2020 | SoConPubbie

[OrangeHoof]

The SCOTUS un-decision won’t matter nearly as much as whether people can go visit family on vacations. For example, my niece and her husband are fairly conservative. They live in Texas. Their parents live in Colorado and Wyoming, respectively, and visit often to see the grandchildren. If Texas secedes and there are border issues (as I expect there would be), they might not be able to see family when they want to. THAT will be first and foremost in their minds if/when they are asked to vote about secession.

We make the assumption that most people think politically. They do not. They think about economics and family. They don’t see Democrat vs. Republican as much as they see about jobs, family and friends. Putting up borders between people is the “hard sell” I’m referring to.

[MayflowerMadam]

If the mostly-conservative states seceded, what do the citizens do with the libs who’ve quietly been invading our space for the last 10 years, turning formerly red places blue? Would there be a way to send them packing? We can’t have that mindset infiltrating our lawful places.

[Safrguns]

>>> The only way this gets resolved with your approach is a massive Holy-Spirit led revival that this country has not seen since its founding when George Whitefield and other Methodist Circuit Riders, led revivals up and down the eastern seaboard of our fledgeling country.

Wow... you just said what I told you from the beginning.

This IS what God is up to right now.

If we divide as a nation, they win.... it’s that simple.

God IS going to put down Evil IN this nation, OR He is going to remove us FROM it. That is where we are in God’s timeline.

What you describe as a separation of sorts has already been going on in California and NY for decades. What ends up happening is the rats leave their own hellhole they create and infest other states to corrupt and destroy. If we were to attempt to re-create what GOD has already given us as a Nation, what is stopping the same thing from happening again? How do you ensure that Godless people don’t leave their Godless nation and re-infect ours? Also... how would you divide up military forces between theirs and ours? Would we not be 100 times more vulnerable to enemy invasion? Do you not see that any form of division means our total destruction? What about the God fearing people IN places like California which would then be inside the Godless nation? Do we just leave them there to die?

What you are suggesting is precisely what the enemy would love to happen the most.

[SoConPubbie]

Wow... you just said what I told you from the beginning.

This is always what God desires, however, as shown by the Revolutionary War, it may also need to come with action on our part. Sitting on our hands and hoping for the best and proclaiming we are believing God is not going to cut it.

If our founding fathers had not been willing to put it all on the line and pledge their honor, their lives, and their property to the cause of Freedom, you and I would not be having this conversation.

[Safrguns]

Who do you think is in control here? God? or us?

[SoConPubbie]

Not sure yet. That's what this conversation is about. Figuring out the details, planning, moving the ball forward, so to speak.

That being said, I have been thinking about that as well. It might be as simple/difficult (dependent on your perspective) as cleaning up the current garbage the Supreme Court has over the years polluted our legal system with and then requiring an oath of allegiance by everyone to that system. If you refuse to swear that oath, you are given fair market value for your property and kicked out. Furthermore, if you are dishonest in your oath and it is discovered, your property is taken from you and you are kicked out.

Just kicking around some ideas here. If we are to proceed down this pathway, it is going to take a lot of planning, discussion, thinking, and most importantly, Resolve.

[SoConPubbie]

Who do you think is in control here? God? or us?

Who do you think the Founders of our Country thought was in control?

[SoConPubbie]

What you are suggesting is precisely what the enemy would love to happen the most.

So, do you think the founding of this country was also what the enemy wanted to happen most?

[SoConPubbie]

We make the assumption that most people think politically. They do not. They think about economics and family. They don’t see Democrat vs. Republican as much as they see about jobs, family and friends. Putting up borders between people is the “hard sell” I’m referring to.

Watch how fast that changes when the Democrats enact their final radical agenda.

[Safrguns]

You cannot equate our current situation with the founding of this nation. That is silly.

What applies from our founding is this and I quote: “A republic if you can keep it.”

We are failing to keep it, and there are no do-overs.

No place left to do what you are suggesting.

It makes far more sense for the God-fearing people to RISE UP with the 2nd ammendment if necessary, and ENFORCE IT’S LAWS!

[CodeToad]

Secession is giving up on those States left behind and the good people in them.

Fight and take back those States!

[CodeToad]

“What happens to average Americans when the banks shut down and a lifetime of savings evaporates.”

That’ll be the least of your worries since there will be little to buy.

[CodeToad]

“the Constitution did not include a process for a state to leave the United States”

Because it is a union of free will, not a dissolution of the State into a nation. It was always assumed that a State could leave anytime they wanted to.

[CodeToad]

“Don’t shoot up forts in the harbor for a start.”

Don’t claim you are abandoning the fort in the harbor while trying to secretly arm it to attack South Carolina.

[SoConPubbie]

Secession is giving up on those States left behind and the good people in them.

Fight and take back those States!

I know FRiend, however, that hill, to take back those states, is too high given the rampant Fraud we just witnessed, the fraudulent judges that listened to the cases that were filed, and the pre-existing Fraud that exists in the Blue states wherever the Democrats are in control.

Let's do what is achievable, and Secession is achievable.

By the way, my family, and I, are some of those "good" people you are talking about and we are having to leave the state we were born and raised in for these very reasons.

[SoConPubbie]

You cannot equate our current situation with the founding of this nation. That is silly.

There are direct parallels. If you choose to close your eyes to them, so be it.

[central_va]

Stop it We have to discuss this. At a minimum a new nation of red states will have at least 200 million people More than enough to defend itself. The alternative is to live in a tyrannical leftist empire. So again we have no choice.

[central_va]

Why would a bank shut down? There are banks all over the world.

[central_va]

No a bad idea is to act like a sheep and take like you do.

[central_va]

The blue states want to get rid of the red states. The feelings at the grass root level are mutual.