India’s engineers have thrived in Silicon Valley. So has its caste system.

The Philadelphia Inquirer ^ | October 29, 2020 | Nitasha Tiku

[The Truth Will Make You Free]

Philadelphia Inquirer? C*** source.

[Zhang Fei]

[I did a year-long sales/consulting stint at Microsoft in Redmond and Issaquah in 2005 where I had MS directors and VP’s tell me how great H1B visa workers were for the bottom line and I told them one day they’d be laughing out of the other side of their mouth. Now they all work for a CEO who is a former H-1B employee.]

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How is that different from anyone else who gets overtaken by what was once a junior employee? CEO’s aren’t hired by H-1B employees. They are appointed by the BOD. Microsoft’s BOD:

https://news.microsoft.com/leadership/
[John W. Thompson
Board Chair

Reid Hoffman
Partner, Greylock Partners

Hugh Johnston
Vice Chairman and Chief Financial Officer, PepsiCo

Teri List-Stoll
Former Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer, Gap Inc.

Satya Nadella
Chief Executive Officer

Sandra E. Peterson
Operating Partner, Clayton, Dubilier & Rice

Penny Pritzker
Founder and Chairman, PSP Partners

Charles W. Scharf
CEO and President, Wells Fargo & Company

Arne Sorenson
President and CEO, Marriott International Inc.

John W. Stanton
Chairman, Trilogy Partnerships

Emma Walmsley
CEO, GlaxoSmithKline

Padmasree Warrior
Founder, CEO and President, Fable Group Inc.]

I’m sure Steve Ballmer was a nice enough guy, but the stock did very little during his time there. Whereas it took off like a rocket after Nadella took over. If this is what H-1B’s are like, it’s hard to fault corporate boards for hiring them. Nadella became honcho at a fat and happy company and took it to the next level.

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https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/from-sundar-pichai-to-satya-nadella-how-h-1bs-helped-indian-americans-find-work-set-up-family/story-C0Xd70L9z2Z9ktmDtGINpN.html
[Satya Nadella used the visa programme also, but for an entirely different reason. Not to further his career, but his personal life. He gave up his Green Card — yes, he did — and went on H-1B so his wife could join in in the United States. Immigration rules then, as now, make it very difficult for foreigners to join Green Card spouses, without going through a long and uncertain process.

So Nadella gave up his permanent residency and switched to H-1B in 1994, a year after he got married and four years after the new visa programme was introduced for high skilled workers in 1990.

“What I didn’t expect was the instant notoriety around campus,” Nadella wrote in his 2017 memoir “Hit Refresh, “‘’Hey, there goes the guy who gave up his Green card’.”]

[nickcarraway]

The company I work for now won't hire H1-Bs because it's too expensive. They do have a some employees who are on H1-B, that they hired as existing H-1Bs from other companies. The first startup I ever worked for as a recruiter banned hiring H1-Bs, because they got burned. A company has to pay $20k in legal fees up front to hire an H1-B. They hired two employees on H1-B, and both of them left within three months, which meant they paid $20k+ for nothing.

The big FANG companies can definitely afford H-1Bs, but a lot of the high tech startups just can't afford it. (For comparison, about 9% of Google's ca. 100k employees are H-1B; Apple has about 3,100 H-1Bs out of 127k employees) Now, do you know anything about L1 Visas? L1 Visas are much better for the company, because it is harder for that employee to jump to another company. (They'd need to get that company to sponsor an entirely new H-1B Visa) L1s are more likely to be paid a lower rate. L1s need to work at the same company overseas for a year, then they can get an L1 Visa to work in the U.S. I have personally come across Microsoft using L1s, but I don't know how many.

[21twelve]

“...all you see is a sea of Indians.”

Before a winter storm last year in Redmond, Washington. (Microsoft, etc.).

Got stuck in a HUGE line at Costco behind a young Indian guy. We got to talking. Every cashier lane was open, with perhaps a line of 40 people in each lane.

The Indian was saying how this was what India looks like all the time.

I quipped “In more ways than one!”

He laughed. I’m guessing it was 80% Indians. 18% muslims. 2% white folks.

We had some Indians renting a house next to ours for awhile. Nice enough folks, but the smell of their cooking was terrible. I asked my wife “I suppose when he his driving up from work and he pulls into the driveway he thinks “Oh yum - she’s cooking XYZ for dinner tonight!”

[nickcarraway]

large grocery store to buy Visine and could not find one employee who was willing to speak English, all Asians and Indian.

Can you tell me which grocery store, because I live here and I've never seen that. I've been to a specialty Japanese grocery store, but most of the people spoke English. I also have been so specialty Indian, Persian, Chinese, and European grocery stores. I found people who spoke English, but I suppose it's possible you might not. I supposed you might find a Mexican grocery store too. But I've never seen a non-specialty grocery store that didn't have English speakers. Santa Clara County is about 33% non-Hispanic white, 33% Hispanic, and 33% Asian, with a small amount of other races.

[A strike]

99% foreigners OUT of the UnitedStates. Problem solved.

[Freedom56v2]

Interesting...Saw this same story in another publication a few weeks ago.

[nickcarraway]

You work in tech recruiting and you feel the need to defend in-sourcing of H-1B indentured servants over American graduates.

Show me where I said anything like that.

What country are you from, since you can't read English. Why are you bashing us when English is not your first language?

I clearly stated my current company refuses to hire H-1Bs.

[wildcard_redneck]

Admit it Nick, H-1B, L1 and other work visas are an insult to the America ln people. The influx of corporate indentured servants depress the wages of Americans while at the same time the immigrations these foreign workers and their families causes extra demand on welfare, social services, and schools which raises taxes on Americans while at the same time driving up inflation in real estate/rents and goods & services. It is the worst kind of corporate welfare born on the backs of the American taxpayer.

[AndyTheBear]

Ive seen some attitudes between engineers from India that I suspect is due to cast system. Frustrating, because the smartest one on team with best ideas seems to be lower cast then more assertive engineer that is not as skilled.

[wildcard_redneck]

”What country are you from, since you can't read English?”

I was born and raised in the United States you insufferable %@#! I am the son of a coal miner from Montana who went on your get a masters degree. I read your inane, self-serving posts and called out on your hypocrisy and you respond by insulting me with ad hominem attacks and insinuating that I don’t know how to read English? That is something that only a traitorous scumbag would do.

[nickcarraway]

You didn't even know about L1 until I told you.

There's also an O Visa, called the genius Visa. There are an unlimited amount of those, but they have to prove, "extraordinary ability or achievement."

[nickcarraway]

Then how come you can't speak English? I clearly said my company refuses to hire H-1B and you either lied about it, or you don't speak English.

I'm the grandchild of two coal miners from across three states.

[wildcard_redneck]

”You didn't even know about L1 until I told you. There's also an O Visa, called the genius Visa. There are an unlimited amount of those, but they have to prove, "extraordinary ability or achievement."

What arrogance, of course I knew about the L1 visa as well as the H-2A visa workers and their employers who do not have to pay Social Security (FICA) taxes which further disadvantages Americans from competing. Are you really serious when you claim that with every post I have to list the entire multitudinous list of foreign worker visas to be taken seriously? What a load of crap.

Face it, you are an apologist for the exploitation of foreign workers and the colonization and balkanization of America by the ruling class. You either suffer from cognitive dissonance or you are dishonest.

You are not worth my time because I will never have an argument that will convince you to give up your Judas 30 pieces of silver. Despicable.

[nickcarraway]

If you speak English, then how come you don’t understand multiple times, that this company doesn’t even hire H-1Bs. Are you some kind of China PRC blogger?

[wildcard_redneck]

”If you speak English.”

What a crock! Anyone who reads my texts can easily tell that I am an American. You say that your current doesn’t hire H-1B visa workers but you mention nothing about previous employers. You at least had the balls to admit that you are a recruiter and anyone in the IT world knows implicitly that in the tech industry you have placed many foreign H-1B and other foreign worker visa employees in Silicon Valley.

How well do those 30 pieces of Judas silver spend?

[IndianChief]

Benjamin - not a Hindu name. Do Indian Christians have a caste system too?

[rxsid]

"I think that’s a gross exaggeration"

Not at all.

I know several white males, from programmers to dba's to management (team leaders, personnel managers) who were forced out...."reduction in force"...only to be directly replaced with h1b's from india, mexico and china. Majority from india.

DXC Technology.

Many of those white males going back years with the same predecessor co's (HPE, previously HP, previously EDS).

Yes, discrimination against white males in the IT field is increasingly prevalent.

It's as real as it gets.

[applpie]

I have. In the late 80s early 90s i worked for an indian owned 8a in DC area. Caste system was definitely alive and well. So were labor abuses of the poor indian young people they would bring over each year. Problem is this company thrived and became major player in flooding area with cheap labor. Worked in major defense company and my group had 60% labor from india, Bangladesh, pakistan.
I saw evidence of castes plus these folks bring their work cultures and discrimination with them. I had many indian friends but it is not right. They were kept and americans fired when we lost contract. They basically forced fired employees to work as a temp for indian temp companies.

[applpie]

Thats funny you say that. I finished my degree as an adult at a primarily black college in Dc Area. Black students would say racist kinds of things sometimes but would especially point out when i was too active in participating in class- like asking questions, talking to professor. I was told not to do that.