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Neptune's Moons Are Caught in One of The Strangest Orbits Ever Seen
www.sciencealert.com ^ | 10 JULY 2020 | DAVID NIELD

Posted on 07/10/2020 12:17:20 PM PDT by Red Badger

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Life isn't always easy for astrophysicists: just when they've figured out another aspect of the patterns of movement in our Solar System, along come two of the moons of Neptune to mess everything up.

The two moons in question are Naiad and Thalassa, both around 100 kilometres or 62 miles wide, which race around their planet in what NASA researchers are calling a "dance of avoidance".

Their strange orbit was first detected by NASA researchers in November 2019.

Compared with Thalassa, Naiad's orbit is tilted by about five degrees – it spends half of its time above Thalassa and half of it below, in a linked orbit that's unlike anything else on record.

"We refer to this repeating pattern as a resonance," said physicist Marina Brozovic, from the NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory back in 2019.

"There are many different types of dances that planets, moons and asteroids can follow, but this one has never been seen before."

The two small moons' orbits are only around 1,850 kilometres (1,150 miles) apart, but they are perfectly timed and choreographed to keep avoiding each other. Naiad takes seven hours to circle Neptune, while Thalassa takes seven and a half on the outside track.

If you were stationed on Thalassa, you'd see Naiad passing above and below in a pattern that would repeat itself every four loops, as Naiad repeatedly laps its neighbour. The researchers say these manoeuvres keep the orbits stable.

To figure this out, the team used data collected between 1981 and 2016 from telescopes on Earth, Voyager 2, and the Hubble Space Telescope to determine how Naiad and Thalassa are getting around the ice giant they call home.

These moons are two of 14 satellites confirmed for Neptune, and two of the seven so-called inner moons, a very tightly packed system interwoven with faint rings.

According to the researchers, the capture of the great Neptune moon Triton might explain where Naiad and Thalassa originated from, and how they came to be spinning around their planet in such an unusual way.

The inner moons may represent Triton leftovers, the team suggests, with Naiad eventually kicked into its tilted orbit through an interaction with another of these nearby neighbours.

Besides plotting out the orbits of Naiad and Thalassa, the new study has also been able to take the first steps towards determining the composition of Neptune's inner moons, which seem to be made up of something similar to water ice.

"We are always excited to find these co-dependencies between moons," said planetary astronomer Mark Showalter, from the SETI Institute.

"Naiad and Thalassa have probably been locked together in this configuration for a very long time, because it makes their orbits more stable. They maintain the peace by never getting too close."

The research was published in Icarus.

A version of this article was first published in November 2019.


TOPICS: Astronomy; Education; History; Science
KEYWORDS: astronomy; catastrophism; jpl; marinabrozovic; markshowalter; naiad; neptune; pluto; science; setiinstitute; thalassa; tomvanflandern; triton; tvf; xplanets
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1 posted on 07/10/2020 12:17:20 PM PDT by Red Badger
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To: Red Badger

“If you were stationed on Thalassa, you’d see Naiad passing above and below in a pattern that would repeat itself every four loops, as Naiad repeatedly laps its neighbour.”

It’s almost like one moon orbits the other. A moon’s moon.


2 posted on 07/10/2020 12:21:49 PM PDT by rightwingcrazy (;-,)
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To: Red Badger

Trump’s fault....


3 posted on 07/10/2020 12:26:27 PM PDT by ripnbang ("An armed man is a citizen, an unarmed man, a subject.")
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To: rightwingcrazy

https://www.livescience.com/63819-moonmoons-could-exist.html


4 posted on 07/10/2020 12:26:59 PM PDT by Red Badger (To a liberal, 9-11 was 'illegal fireworks activity'..........................)
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To: Red Badger

That’s actually pretty cool.


5 posted on 07/10/2020 12:27:00 PM PDT by DarrellZero
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To: Red Badger

We are about to send our fifth? rover to Mars in a few weeks....why not to a moon of Mars or a moon of a outer planet instead?
I understand keeping the NASA budget perpetually funded and all but still..


6 posted on 07/10/2020 12:37:29 PM PDT by mowowie
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To: mowowie
...or a moon of a outer planet

Done did. 2005...............

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huygens_(spacecraft)

7 posted on 07/10/2020 12:40:58 PM PDT by Red Badger (To a liberal, 9-11 was 'illegal fireworks activity'..........................)
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To: Red Badger

Ah-Ha!

It’s the old, ‘Boy meets Girl, Boy Loses Girl, Boy Wins Girl Back’ orbit! ;)


8 posted on 07/10/2020 12:50:05 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'hobbies.' I'm developing a robust post-Apocalyptic skill set.)
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To: All

Lunar entanglement.


9 posted on 07/10/2020 1:09:44 PM PDT by BipolarBob (I told myself to stop drinking but thought "why should I listen to a drunk who talks to himself")
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To: Red Badger

Looks like a sine wave. Alternating current?


10 posted on 07/10/2020 1:44:42 PM PDT by NTHockey (My rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners. And to the NSA trolls, FU)
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To: 75thOVI; Abathar; agrace; aimhigh; Alice in Wonderland; AnalogReigns; AndrewC; aragorn; ...
Thanks Red Badger.



11 posted on 07/10/2020 1:45:03 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: SunkenCiv

ibu


12 posted on 07/10/2020 2:34:16 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire. Or both.)
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To: Red Badger
Naiad takes seven hours to make one revolution around Neptune. Phobos takes seven hours to make one revolution around Mars.

Coincidence? Or Russian collusion?

13 posted on 07/10/2020 2:54:11 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: BenLurkin

These Saturnian moons should have been brought up in that “counter-Earth” topic, ah well:

https://spaceinfo.com.au/2010/09/22/saturns-siamese-twin-moons/


14 posted on 07/10/2020 3:12:20 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: rightwingcrazy

According to the picture, it appears that Naiad always has a slightly shorter radius orbit than Thalassa so they never collide. Just coincidence? Doubting that.


15 posted on 07/10/2020 3:13:07 PM PDT by oldtech
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To: oldtech
Let's just be thankful it's not Uranus.

Sorry...

16 posted on 07/10/2020 3:16:27 PM PDT by Night Hides Not (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! Remember Gonzales! Come and Take It!)
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To: Night Hides Not

Don’t be sorry. We need a good laugh.


17 posted on 07/10/2020 3:18:10 PM PDT by EvilCapitalist (Fire Fauci)
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To: mowowie; SunkenCiv
We are about to send our fifth? rover to Mars in a few weeks....why not to a moon of Mars or a moon of a outer planet instead?

There is growing interest in returning to Neptune and Uranus (please...behave). This article does a nice job of laying out the pros and cons, chiefly The problem with outer solar system exploration is, you want a spacecraft moving fast enough to reach its intended destination in a decade or so — but too much speed makes slowing down to enter orbit out of the question

I don't believe Congress was granted an enumerated power in the Constitution to create NASA - it's not serving a military function, and the power of pursue pure exploration isn't an Article 1, Section 8 power.

That's said, I love space exploration and think mankind got a lot out of Veejer and New Horizons etc. I want to return to Neptune and Uranus (again..behave children).

18 posted on 07/10/2020 10:11:57 PM PDT by DoodleBob (Gravity's waiting period is about 9.8 m/s^)
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To: Red Badger; BenLurkin; KevinDavis; annie laurie; Knitting A Conundrum; Viking2002; ...
This topic was posted 7/10/2020, thanks Red Badger.
 
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19 posted on 03/06/2021 2:35:35 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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20 posted on 03/06/2021 2:38:17 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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