Posted on 05/24/2020 12:15:13 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
Yeah that was last time, 2016. The “serious people” in the party were appalled.
These are fun cause the convention actually chooses the ticket.
If election gets thrown into the U.S. House,
Currently
GOP 26 States
Dem 23
Pennsylvania is 9/9
What if it ends up 25 to 24 with PA deadlocked?
My (other, besides DJ) Jedi Master Auh2o will correct me if I make any mistakes here.
I think it’s 26-22, with PA tied and MI 8 rats, 7 Rs and Amash (who will come in third if he runs for reelection and probably wouldn’t vote for Biden anyway).
Some rats think they can gain House seats but I think that’s psychotic and it would certainly mean Biden has won easily, 100%. We’re gaining seats in a close election.
I don’t see a delegation that rats could gain as opposed to lose. MI if they win Amash’s seat in a three-way race is most likely.
But what it would mean (and it would be because of 269-269 tie which is very possible, rather than Jo getting any electoral votes) if there were not 26 delegations controlled by one party is that there would be no President elected until after the 2022 midterms (or a special election or 2) changed the composition of the House.
VP would be Acting President, if the Senate was tied also (no Pence tie-breaker for the vote to elect a new VP) then the Supreme Court would decide whether Pelosi (unconstitutional) or Pompeo would be Acting President.
Pelosi or Grassley can’t be Acting President because the constitution prohibits, other than the quasi-exception of the role of the VP in the Senate, serving in more than one branch of government at once. The succession act gets around that by requiring the Speaker to resign from Congress and as Speaker before taking office. This creates a legal absurdity of the highest order. Even if a sitting Speaker is an “officer” who can be Acting President, a FORMER Speaker is most certainly not. Blame early Federalists who wanted their Congressional leaders at the top of the line rather than Jefferson, short-sighted. And Harry Truman for putting the Congressional Leaders (order reversed) back in the line after they had been out for decades because he was a pee-brained failed clothing salesman who had no business being anywhere near the Chief Magistracy of this land.
I warned that we should have altered the succession act in 2018 in case the rats took the House.
If the election (ie all 51 separate elections) is (are) cancelled (LOL) there will be no House either so the Court will choose between Pompeo (who would surely seek the office even over Grassley IMO) and whoever either Grassley or Leahy is President Pro Tem after the Governors fill the vacant third of the Senate.
The Prohibition party, after replacing 2 nominees who quit IIRC, has nominated Freeper Phil Collins, currently of Wisconsin, previously of Illinois, previously of Nevada.
Yes, really. Pretty neat huh?
And he won the primary of the American Independent Party in California, meaning he’ll be on the ballot there and probably come in 7th place in the national popular vote, with the best showing for a Prohibition nominee since at least 1964.
That is a great analysis.
269 won’t do it for Biden. He needs 270.
It won’t.
You are correct that the GOP currently controls 26 House delegations, and that if President Trump ends up with 269 EVs he would be elected by the House even if the RATs keep control of the body. The only way for the GOP not to control 26 state delegation on January 3, 2021 would be if the RATs win the open-seat race in MT or if they somehow capture pretty comfortably GOP FL-15 while holding all of the marginal seats in the state. IMHO, if either of those things happen then we’d be talking about Biden winning by 2008 margins, not a 269-all election. The odds are higher that the GOP could get to 30 state delegations by picking up a seat or two in PA, MI (which, BTW, only has 16 EVs, so its House delegation is 7D, 6R and 1L), IA and VA; heck, it would be less improbable that the GOP also picked up a seat or two in AZ, MN, NV and CO and controlled 34 delegations, although for that to happen we’d certainly be talking about a GOP House and 322+ EVs for President Trump.
As for what would occur in the improbable case that neither Trump nor Biden could get 26 state delegations to elect them, I agree with everything that you wrote.
Impy, thanks for mentioning my campaign. I’ll be on the ballot in AR, MS, CO, and VT. I’ll probably be on the ballot in TN. Our platform lists about 10 issues. It states that we’re pro-life, pro-gun rights, pro-border security, and pro-federal spending cuts.
As you noted, Boob Barf (oops, I mean Bob Barr) was much more well known as a former Congressman, but did scarsely better than Badnarik.... AND Barf had the fortune of running against the unlikable backstabber John McCain. I attribute his poor performance to Barf renouncing everything people LIKED about him when he was a Congressman. Literally the ONLY thing Congressman Barr and Libertarian Nominee Barf had in common is they were both strongly pro-gun rights.
And of course, almost immediately after the election, Barf and his "Libertarian" running mate Wayne Allyn Root came crawling back to the GOP. So much for that "I'm so proud to be a Libertarian" stuff they spouted at the 2008 party convention.
Same thing in 2012 and 2016, when they nominated former GOP Governor Gary Johnson. His "Libertarian" running mate, RINO big government governor Bill Weld, is now back in the GOP fold. I don't think Johnson has ruled out running again as a Republican, either.
In any case, Jacob Hornberger won considerably more votes than Jo Jorgensen did in the 2020 LP primaries (she won ONE out of the 11 state primaries) for President. Guess the LP party elites figure they know better than the rank and file members who is the best nominee for the party (but they will gladly diss the GOP and Dems party elites for doing the same)
I have no objection to her though, looks like the LP is going back to basics. I never liked Harry Browne either, but at least he seemed sincere about what he actually believed in, unlike Boob Barf and RINO Weld.
Johnson, the asshole, ran a Libertarian for the Senate in 2018 (easy to forget) he seemed stronger than the weak Republican to the point that I endorsed him until he faded in the polls down the stretch and he indeed finished a poor third (though he got 15%, as opposed to the 9% he got in NM running for President). The rat ended up with over 50% anyway.
If Johnson had run as a Republican, I think it could have been a different race and maybe he could have even won.
Weld endorsed Biden (even as he was still running against Trump for the nomination!), so he’s in the DIABLO (dem in all but label only) POS fold with Joe Walsh, he should follow Bill Kristol and make the rat thing official.
As for the Libertarian nomination process, most states didn’t have primaries or caucuses and I don’t know why the delegates of those states should give a damn about the results of those that did, especially given the absurdly small number of votes involved, Hornb got 9100 votes (only 22% of the total) and Jorg got 5000. And this was a multi-ballot affair, no one was close to majority on the first ballot and she won by being everyone’s 2nd choice. Their hypocrisy aside, it was perfectly proper. If I were them and wanted to be true to ideals I’d allow all dues paying members (if they have them) to choose the nominee like the parties do in the UK and Canada.
Jorg btw was spotted (by her own photog in order to publicize it) protesting with BLM outside of the White House.
Johnson should’ve run for Senator way back in 2000 against Jeff Bingaman when he was Governor (when he was still a first-tier candidate). If he had won, it would’ve given his Lieutenant a 2-year leg up in facing sleazeball Richardson, who took advantage of an open seat and an upstart Hispanic named Sanchez who upended the Lt Governor in a surprise (and later became Lt Governor himself, but chose not to run for any office when his term expired, not seeing any winnable races).
I hate these popular GOP Governors who pass on running for the Senate when needed, or wait until it’s way too late and they either are a joke (Johnson, Tommy Thompson) or an impediment to a real Conservative choice (Lamar!).
Curiously, Slick Willie Weld did run for the Senate at the apex of his career, the sole time he did something right, but was so clearly bored with his Governor job and could barely distinguish himself from Lurch, we’re probably fortunate he blew that race. He would’ve utilized the Senate as a way to attack Republicans and Conservatives (a la Willard, for whom he hilariously actually played a role in sabotaging in ‘94). MA was too tiny for both these megalomaniacs to be serving in high office at the same time.
Yeah, I forgot about that one. I only endorse a Libertarian candidate for U.S. Senate if the GOP candidate is an unacceptable douche AND the Libertarian is semi-decent, like when I supported Mike Labno over Mark Kirk (I DIDN'T endorse Kirk's Libertarian opponent the next time around, as THAT guy was to Kirk's LEFT on a half dozen issues, and only clearly to his right on ONE issue -- gun rights). In any case, I would have almost certainly endorsed Mick Rich over Gary Johnson, regardless of Johnson's "name ID" in that race.
Did Johnson say which party he would have caucused with if he was actually elected to the Senate? Perhaps he took the weasley way out and said he'd caucus with whoever had the majority?
Both of the so-called "Independents" in the Senate now caucus with the RATS, and vote just like them on 90% of the issues anyway.
You mentioned the LP candidate for President pandering the the BLM crowd, I remember back in college I caught some Libertarian candidate pandering to the "Free Palestine! End Zionism!" crowd. The chair of the Illinois Libertarian Party at the time called my allegations over the internet a "smear" and threatened to "sue me" until I got a copy of one of the guy's flyers with the official "Libertarian Party of Chicago" logo that did indeed mimicking the Jew-hating left talking points. He was then forced to admit they let their candidate "ad lib" on the campaign trail and he came up with the idea of pandering to the Israel hating leftists.
That's one of the big issues I have about the LP, they run on being "principled" but they will embrace whatever trendy leftist cause is around in an urban area, if they think it helps them get votes.
As I noted, we see so many damn RINOs try to move the GOP to the LEFT on social issues and use the "I'm a Libertarian, we need to win over socially liberal, fiscally conservative" voters an excuse. But you NEVER see some DINO running in the RAT primary, trying to push THEIR party to the RIGHT on economic issues, and use the same excuse -- even though a lot of leftists CLAIM to be "libertarian". Given how much the Libertarians love pandering to urban Marxists, they should grow some balls and try infiltrating the RATS for a change. Hell, you'd think they'd "balance the ticket" of someone like Barr or Johnson, a former GOP politician, with a former RAT politician as his running mate. But nope.
And there IS a "Libertarian wing" of the RAT party, its called the Democrat Freedom Caucus.
I don’t think he said who’d caucus with. I can’t imagine he’d have propped up Chuck Schuemr though unless he’s a total POS. If he promised GOP maybe they could have gotten the Republican to drop out but he foolishly tried to win a true 3 way race trying to appeal to both sides. Anyway I rescinded the endorsement when it was clear the Republican was outpolling him.
Only turd party Senate candidate I’ve stuck with recently is (former GOP nominee) Joe Miller in Alaska since he was actually the top opponent to RINO Lisa, the rat came in 4th.
Angus Queen voted for (cloture on) the GOP police bill, which surprised me. There was some talk he would switch over once we took over but it didn’t happen. Overall he makes Collins seem conservative but is still to the right of a Maine rat.
I know of no notable rats that have switched to Libertarian (other than erstwhile Republican Chafee). That party is really a mess of factions, the opportunists that want to make it a centrist party, the true believer nuts. A lot of them are pissed off the party keeps running former Republicans. Someone like Weld and their current VP candidate have nothing in common. Lately pro-life Libertarians seem marginalized, Hornberger lit into Amash over abortion. That’s good for us, we do NOT want a pro-life alternative to the Republican nominee.
RINO Lib pig John Anderson sought and got a liberal democrat running mate, that made sense since he was to the left of Carter of some issues.
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