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It's not the Gluten! The issues with grains making Americans sick.
Exercise Smarter ^ | Apr 2017 | Tim Rankin

Posted on 03/03/2020 11:11:18 AM PST by CondoleezzaProtege

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To: mlo

Yeah which is why we have so many people living beyond their 60’s 70’s and 80’s now...

We might could do some things better but there is something wrong with your premise of agriculture causing our health to decline.


41 posted on 03/03/2020 12:59:32 PM PST by mdmathis6
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

A little known secret of the American honey industry is that much food-ingredient, industrial honey has traces of glyphosate and tylosin, an animal antibiotic

Buy local where you know where the Bees forage


42 posted on 03/03/2020 1:01:36 PM PST by PGR88
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Just buy non GMO grain, tastes better and does not make you sick. Its banned in Europe.


43 posted on 03/03/2020 1:07:50 PM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: Wissa

If the roundup was not absorbed into the plant it would not stimulate growth. So its pretty clear that discarding the husk does not remove the glyphosate.


44 posted on 03/03/2020 1:14:54 PM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: American in Israel
If the roundup was not absorbed into the plant it would not stimulate growth. So its pretty clear that discarding the husk does not remove the glyphosate.

Huh? Glyphosate is used to KILL plants, not to stimulate growth.

45 posted on 03/03/2020 1:19:41 PM PST by Wissa ("Accidents don't happen to people who take accidents as a personal insult." - Michael Corleone)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege
When you vacation in France, Italy, or various other countries, enjoy the bread and pasta without guilt!

In the same way, my bride has an allergy to dairy.

We spent three weeks in Portugal, ate pastéis de nata every day... came home, and her allergy to dairy was gone.

Resurfaced after a couple months back in the US.

46 posted on 03/03/2020 1:21:18 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: All

I may be stating the obvious here, but “organic” is not some fad the liberals cooked up, it’s literally how our forefathers grew wheat for millennia. If my ancestors lived to ripe old ages on an all-organic diet I suspect I will too. Same goes for meat by the way. My grandfather, an avid hunter and fisherman, was supplying his own antibiotic-free meat, poultry, and fish well into his 70’s. He lived to be 100, in spite of the fact that he drank like a Russian fish.


47 posted on 03/03/2020 1:23:22 PM PST by FormerFRLurker (Keep calm and vote your conscience.)
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To: piasa
No one uses Round Up on a field days before harvest. The author is an idiot.

In fact, Monsanto representatives promoted this as a way to increase harvest. I posted a link from the Wayback Machine a few years ago... from the Monsanto website.

I do not know if anyone still does it.

48 posted on 03/03/2020 1:23:40 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: mdmathis6
Yeah which is why we have so many people living beyond their 60’s 70’s and 80’s now...

With a large percentage taking more than one medication a day...

49 posted on 03/03/2020 1:24:39 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Grain: plant it in a nice field (tougher than Bloomberg thinks), care for it, watch it grow into nice tall ‘stalks’, let it die to a nice golden brown, harvest the kernels, pound them into dust, and make food from it.

Yeah....nutritious....


50 posted on 03/03/2020 1:27:34 PM PST by nesnah (Liberals - the petulant children of politics)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

That doesn’t prove bad agriculture is the culprit for that. Bad medicine maybe. Many only need one or two meds but some may see different docs for different things so no one co-ordinates the scripts for these patients. Hence three meds for BP, multi meds for allergies, depression, ect. citing one example I can think of.

Whole unprocessed grain breads might be the best way to go but I wouldn’t lump in agriculture as one of the curses of modern civilization.


51 posted on 03/03/2020 1:39:40 PM PST by mdmathis6
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To: mdmathis6
Whole unprocessed grain breads might be the best way to go but I wouldn’t lump in agriculture as one of the curses of modern civilization.

Not agriculture. genetic engineering and overuse of petrochemical pesticides, fertilizers, etc.

That is the problem.

I live in what was the nation's most fertile farmland.

Now, you cannot drink the groundwater because of Nitrate pollution.

52 posted on 03/03/2020 1:45:22 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: blackdog

Many decades ago, when I was a child “day old” bread (literally the second day) was half price and had a completely different texture (a bit dried out) from fresh. My mother walked to a regular grocery store nearly every day and only bought “day old.” In our big family it never lasted to long enough to get moldy.


53 posted on 03/03/2020 1:46:27 PM PST by Freee-dame
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To: Wissa; American in Israel
Stressed or dying plants put their last bit of energy into their reproduction process. Also, killing an entire field allows for more uniform and earlier harvests, better timing for weather and harvesting considerations, such as availability of contracted machinery, labor, etc.

Any chemicals applied within a few weeks of harvest become part of the plant, including its seeds/grain.

Humans have symbiotic relationships with microbes within our intestinal tracts. We're only being to realize this complicated process that affects not only our digestion, but our entire metabolic system including our brains.


Roundup Sprayed on Dozens of Crops Pre-Harvest
by Sarah Pope MGA

The currently accepted view is that glyphosate is not harmful to humans or any mammals. This flawed view is so pervasive in the conventional farming community that Roundup salesmen have been known to foolishly drink it during presentations!

Just because Roundup doesn’t kill you immediately doesn’t make it safe though! The health-robbing effects are actually slow and insidious over months and years.

The decline in health occurs because glyphosate lethally disrupts the shikimate pathway found in beneficial gut microbes. This probiotic pathway is responsible for the synthesis of critical amino acids and the cytochrome P450 (CYP) enzymes. CYP enzymes are used by the body to detoxify the multitude of foreign chemical compounds and xenobiotics. No matter where we live, we are exposed to these toxins in our modern environment every single day.

As a result, people exposed to glyphosate residue through the ingestion of food crops treated with it just before harvest become even more vulnerable to the damaging effects of other chemicals and environmental toxins they encounter! This is possibly the worse result of glyphosate exposure. It makes you a sitting duck for any other toxins you encounter.

In addition, by significantly disrupting the functioning of beneficial bacteria in the gut, permeability issues related to the intestinal wall can occur over time. This slow degradation of gut function encourages the development of a myriad of autoimmune disease symptoms. These diseases include celiac disease, food allergies, Crohn’s, IBS, asthma, ulcerative colitis, MS, lupus, eczema, cancer, and the list goes on and on.

https://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/pre-harvest-roundup-crops-not-just-wheat/


Do your own research, of course. It's your life, health, and pocketbook.

54 posted on 03/03/2020 1:47:26 PM PST by amorphous
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

ping


55 posted on 03/03/2020 1:48:16 PM PST by Java4Jay (The evils of government are directly proportional to the tolerance of the people.)
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To: Freee-dame

https://www.berlinnaturalbakery.com/blogs/bnb/81377732-is-bread-making-you-sick-dough-conditioners-additives


56 posted on 03/03/2020 2:06:52 PM PST by blackdog (Making wine cave appearances upon request.)
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To: MomwithHope

“I have 2 friends with celiac disease, diagnosed, it is very real.”

My daughter-in-law as well. One can say all they want about how that’s all people had to eat in previous centuries, but there were also ridiculously high mortality rates in those days. She would have died.

In my house, we now eat gluten-free bread. And I have come to prefer it.


57 posted on 03/03/2020 2:12:55 PM PST by mikeus_maximus (The Truth does not require our agreement.)
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To: American in Israel
The bulk of glyphosate used in growing crops is used for soybean and corn production. Glyphosate kills most everything, so it's good at making the fields weed-free. If it kills the crops as well, it doesn't do much good though so they've managed to create genetically modified varieties of those crops that prevent the glyphosate from killing the soybean and corn plants. The glyphosate is applied to the fields fairly early in the season, to kill the weeds until the crops are sufficiently large to shade out the ground and manage their own weed-suppression themselves. The amount of glyphosate that is applied within days of harvest is going to be minimal, and will mostly fall on plants that are already dead at the end of the season.

So then the questions are 1) how much glyphosate winds up as residue in the seeds which are harvested, and 2) is whatever amount you can detect in the seeds harmful? I have no reason to doubt the claims that SOME trace of the glyphosate can be found in harvested crops, but I also have zero reason to believe that whatever glyphosate is there is in any way harmful. Or at least, anywhere close to being as harmful as the preservatives, and artificial colors, and artificial sweeteners, and "flavor enhancers", and the plastic that leaches into your food and drinks if you buy canned food or plastic bottles of water or cans of soda, and all the other thousand chemicals that the food industry puts into the crap people buy at their grocery stores. The added sugar alone that the food manufacturers put in the food nowadays is going to do multiple times more harm to people's health than any traces of glyphosate that may be in the food.

58 posted on 03/03/2020 2:25:06 PM PST by Wissa ("Accidents don't happen to people who take accidents as a personal insult." - Michael Corleone)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

I’ve read (in “Combat Kitchen”?) that there’s a correlation between continuous process bread and intestinal problems.

So, go for the batch made bread.


59 posted on 03/03/2020 2:55:57 PM PST by Calvin Locke
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To: amorphous
Roundup Sprayed on Dozens of Crops Pre-Harvest by Sarah Pope MGA

Just because Roundup happens to be the bee that seems to have got into Sarah Pope's bonnet, doesn't mean it's as harmful as several other of the artificial molecules that you've most likely ingested in the past couple of days.

Personally, I'll stick with what I'm doing. I have no allergies and I haven't been sick in years (10 maybe?), with the exception of a cold a little over two years ago. That cold didn't even last 24 hours. My blood pressure and resting heart rate are generally down close to the "athlete" level for my mid-60s age. I USED TO get sick as often as the others in the office where I worked. Blood pressure routinely in the "high normal" range at it's lowest. Weighed about 30 pounds more than I do now.

I work at trying to reduce my intake of ALL artificial compounds, including sugar. I say reduce, not eliminate. The body has detoxification systems that are specifically designed to get rid of toxins, and they work well as long as they don't get overloaded. My ingestion of glyphosate is down from what it used to be in decades past, but not because I specifically avoid it. I've just replaced a large part of my former diet with foods/drinks that I now grow myself. So is my improved health from years ago due specifically to reducing my consumption of glyphosate? No way to know for sure, but I doubt it. If I had to bet, I'd put my money on the reduction in the artificial sweeteners and the various sugars found in the food I used to eat in larger quantities than now.

60 posted on 03/03/2020 3:21:44 PM PST by Wissa ("Accidents don't happen to people who take accidents as a personal insult." - Michael Corleone)
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