Posted on 01/28/2020 4:58:16 PM PST by Monrose72
You may be right about that.
Secondary spread has started in Europe and SE Asia. We may learn of it here in a few days.
My experience in smallpox planning leads me to believe that we are not able (not willing) to do what is necessary.
Of course the flights should be stopped.
Wouldn’t visas show origin as China?
One person with only a simple cold could cause a near panic on a plane from China.
This needs to be done.
I think the Chinese gov’t is doing the only sensible thing, which is to isolate the only city where most people are already infected. China being a dictatorship can do things like that even if situations which are not that serious.
Keep in mind China is still a poor and overcrowded country. That makes it easier for contagious diseases to spread. I have never been to mainland China but have heard the sanitary conditions are not so great. Only places I have visited in SE Asia are Hong Kong, Singapore, Thailand and Vietnam. Singapore was amazingly modern, Hong Kong is modern but really crowded. Thailand & Vietnam have lot of poor people. If I was dictator of China, I would do the same thing...shut off the one city where most infections have occurred.
Trump is trying to steal the election by preventing illegal Chinese from voting. Add that charge to the impeachment papers. Quick, we need to bring in witnesses to DC from China itself !
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden-averted/2017-2018.htm
It looks like the CDC actual number of 61,000 deaths is somewhere between our figures. I was relying on a Time reference to CDC figures. Yeah, I know. Just change 80,000 to 61,000, but my assertion, I think, is valid.
Yes, but someone at the airport has to examine your passport with focus. My passport has many pages stamped with visits to the 36 countries I have traveled to. May not be practical. All they are doing is taking quick body temperature with a gadget pointed at the forehead.
Don’t give Pelosi anymore ideas!
Did you notice that 83% of the deaths were people 65 and older. If a senior is in a position to get a normal strain of flu but is exposed to caronavirus first, he might just as well have been normal flu casualty in a normal year. However this caronavirus plays out, I’d like to see how great a lessening of normal flu deaths occurred. I’m not saying its zero sum but there must be some correlation.
Should’ve been done already.
Yes but to go TO China as a foriegn national, your passport will have a full page China visa approving dates of travel and VERY easily visible. Passport only has, what, 21 usable pages and the China visa is easy to spot. We’re not talking entry/exit stamps that are 1/4-page sized inked stamps.
Again a China visa is a full page, clear as day. To flip through a paper for one takes turning ten pages. Stands right out. China is not like the UK, or France, where no visa is required. To go to China (on a us passport) you send you passport to their embassy within one month of departure for a visa, which is limited use date range and that is clearly unique one page decal. One passport may have a few visas taking up whole pages.
Obviously if your a Chinese national, that passport will easily be recognised and scrutinized even further for exit/entry visas.
Not difficult, to determine either way.
[I’m not panicking, the Chinese government is.]
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html
I saw some doc, on FoxNews, saying that if you get the flu shot...no, it won’t protect against this/certain strains (duh!), but...it may lessen the severity of something you may catch.
Right.
I wouldn’t be so sure.
Looking at my own passport, the visa stamps are NOT in any particular order. Looks to me like the visa stamper just opens the passport, and the first blank page she finds, is where she stamps it.
And there are many more stamps than the visa stamps in my passport, showing when I entered the country, even though a visa was not required. And those stamps are also in random order.
Was he too distracted by impeachment? Were his staff?
Once again, China needs to answer for this. So does Canada.
All of that is true, but my point (relative to the apparent importance of this event to the Chinese) is that they could have (and perhaps should have) quarantined a huge city and built thousands of emergency hospital rooms in the past, they’ve never done it in any of the very significant prior contagious outbreaks.
I’m not comparing the Chinese reaction to this event to the critical care rates of the flu in the U.S. I’m comparing it to their (lack of) actions in past major outbreaks in China (e.g., SARS).
Knee-jerk wouldn’t have been right - even this action might only slow it for a short while...drug companies gonna rake it in with next years’ Flu vaccine supplement...
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