Posted on 01/10/2020 4:34:56 AM PST by knighthawk
Iran has used bulldozers to move around pieces of debris from a crashed Ukrainian passenger jet, potentially destroying evidence which could help determine exactly what happened to it.
Images and reports from the crash site, just outside Tehran, show at least one bulldozer working in the debris at the site, where the Boeing 737-800 crash-landed on Tuesday, killing all 176 people on board.
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Iran using bulldozers actually does tell you what happened.
This isn’t a figurative coverup. It’s physically a coverup of evidence.
too late .. everybody knows what happened
We know what happened. DOD has satellite data. The world doesn’t need to sift the ashes.
They’re just using the same rigorous investigative techniques developed by the FBI at Waco.
the victims of Iran on the plane
were FLEEING. Evidence they may
have had of Iran’s nuclear projects
and Obama/Rices/Kerrys payoffs
to the terrorists HAD TO BE DESTROYED.
They’re looking for the flight data recorders.
The dozer operator will feel them when he runs over them.
The questions no one seems to be asking:
Who was on that flight?
In order to ... make it impossible
I asked that right after it happened.
They’re just using the same rigorous investigative techniques developed by the FBI at Waco.
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The higher your operative level of authority, the more you are to scoff at the idea of accountability when you have done what will be perceived to be a wrong.
I’m not saying that the lowest of the low don’t attempt to coverup and lie, but their arrogance is based on delusion rather than position.
Don’t worry, the corrupt fake news media is busy blaming Trump.
The message to Big Media: Keep blaming Trump.
While the MSM and reporting news agencies reporting such incidents knowingly avoid referencing the religious aspect of these conflicts. Portray the conflicts going on between entities in the area as territorial when they are actually sectarian based on enforcing absolute conformity to a theocracy. Which orders followers to adhere to Koranic laws that go unquestioned by leading mono theistic leaders like Pope Francis obey what they claim are Our Creator’s orders which has them authorized by God to execute unbelievers including those fleeing the area they control.
Everybody calm down!
The footage clearly shows they are not using a bulldozer!
They’re merely using a wheel loader.
And not a very big one at that.
Sheesh, ya wadda thought it was the end of the world.
One theory I had initially and still believe has at least some merit is that it was a mistake. Two possible minor variants on this. Call it 1a being a human in the loop got jumpy or buck fever and intentionally fired at something he mistakenly believed was a threat. 1b being someone mis-configured the system (call it fatigue, shift change, outright error) and in that particular mode the SAM system fired on an air target because it wasn't squawking the right modes and codes.
If it wasn't an accident of some sort, then it was intentional. Again a couple of variants on this. One is that it was ordered/executed by someone in the Iranian chain of command who sympathizes with the protesters and opposition and is trying to get world opinion even more against the Iranian regime. A bit extreme but, that is the land of extremists.
However, that is a little obvious and could backfire on the anti-regime opposition. So yet another theory is that it actually was the Iranian chain of command, doing it intentionally, and then planning on blaming anti-regime sympathizers. ie. a "false flag" operation.
If we're going to believe this was no accident, that it was intentional, then I would tend to believe that last theory. No-one in the chain of command is going to kill a couple hundred civilians in such a public way on their own authority. Even if it is never publicly admitted, the guys in power would know what happened. That's a death sentence for who-ever ordered/executed it - unless they had top cover and approval. So I think it is unlikely a sympathizer did it intentionally to embarrass the government because he would fail. He would be publicly executed, both losing his life and pulling the blame off the regime. So I believe it was either an accident, or a coldly calculated move by the regime as a false flag operation.
Either way, the bulldozers tell us the Iranians know it was one of their missiles that brought down the aircraft. They're trying to cover that up so that they have options on how to spin this, maybe sticking with the mechanical failure story, maybe busy selecting/framing a scapegoat...
I don't know, what do y'all think - are they scrambling to clean up any evidence, or does their response seem almost pre-planned? That could be a good clue as to whether this was an accident or a coldly executed plan...
Thats an easy question to answer. Just have to look at the ticket records.
Everyone knows what happened.
However, today, your political social credit is determined by how well you pretend to believe things and say things which are not true.
Propagating things not true has always been a loyalty test for totalitarians.
Personally, my intuition is that it did not come from high up in the chain of command. These guys really thought this had a very good possibility of escalating (a lot of people did), and all you have to do is think about ‘shock and awe’ for a moment and you’re likely to get very jumpy if you are on the ground.
Yes, you are an idiot if you are manning SAMs near an international airport and are not cognizant of commercial airline flights being in the vicinity, but I find it plausible that someone thought they were making a split second judgement call and had an itchy trigger.
"No reasonable prosecutor..."
Ya'll get my point
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