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Bureaucracy is Mental Illness
YouTube ^ | Feb 2017 | Mary Kouns

Posted on 10/19/2019 2:56:51 PM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege

What happens when a person suffering from mental illness tries to interact with a system that is also mentally ill?

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TOPICS: Health/Medicine; Society
KEYWORDS: mentalhealth
"You can't just give the DMV a prozac..."

Been finding interesting material lately about the relationship between mental health and the bureaucratization of modern life. How everyone is just a number in a system and is treated as such. And how a single glitch in that system can make or break someone's fate.

There is a healthcare crisis among veterans for example -- both mental health related and otherwise --- but the V.A. is inherently bureaucratic and exacerbates rather than helps the situation. Think of all the veterans who wait in line to be seen only to be told they have to wait even longer to be approved for said surgery or said treatment. Because something is missing in their file, or because of this or that. By that point, many just give up...or can't even make it through the wait.

1 posted on 10/19/2019 2:56:51 PM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

How everyone is just a number in a system and is treated as such.


It does illustrate following:

Rev_13:17  so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark, that is, the name of the beast or the number of its name.


2 posted on 10/19/2019 3:03:18 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Right now I am pondering an idea that Insanity and Mental Illness are different.

My tentative working thoughts:

Mental Illness has some link to brain damage (physical, or chemical induced, perhaps some traumatic stress.)

Insanity is “Not in their right mind”, that is, not accepting Truth and logic.

Vets could need help with their Mental Illness. That would be Mental Health care. They are not insane.

Shiff is insane. Just for one example.


3 posted on 10/19/2019 3:09:33 PM PDT by Scrambler Bob (This is not /s. It is just as viable as any MSM 'information', maybe more so!)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Hillary of course...


4 posted on 10/19/2019 3:10:34 PM PDT by Chauncey Gardiner
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To: Scrambler Bob

And bureaucracy would also be insane.


5 posted on 10/19/2019 3:11:11 PM PDT by Scrambler Bob (This is not /s. It is just as viable as any MSM 'information', maybe more so!)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Let’s not get caught up in the defensive mechanisms of the mentally ill Democrats who are now pronouncing everything is a mental illness to keep the focus off of themselves.

It’s a tactic, not a fact. It’s projection actually. They do it well.


6 posted on 10/19/2019 3:13:53 PM PDT by rockinqsranch ("Democratic" party sold out to the ICP. It is now the Communist Party USA.)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Catch-22


7 posted on 10/19/2019 3:14:48 PM PDT by real saxophonist (Yeah, well, y'know that's just like, uh... your opinion, man.)
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To: Scrambler Bob

If you’ve never looked at Thomas Szasz’s book “The Myth of Mental illness”, you might find it interesting. I believe Szasz specified the definition a little differently, but he made the case that most “mental illness” is just people thinking in a way which society does not like or which messes up the person’s life. It’s not a real illness. It’s just a pejorative label placed on people who are different.

That being said, if society itself is crazy, then the label becomes backwards — Social Justice Warriors who reject truth and logic are “good people” in the eyes of the media. But dangerous rednecks who own guns and don’t support Hillary are rightwing Nazis — you know: nutjobs.”

Of course, people with schizophrenia or major depression have a medical condition. But a lot of “mental illness” is really just people thinking in a way that displeases the standards of others.


8 posted on 10/19/2019 3:20:33 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (If White Privilege is real, why did Elizabeth Warren lie about being an Indian?)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

You might find the folloiwng interesting in your pursuit of knowledge:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1139037/pdf/medhist00090-0007.pdf

Increasingly sophisticated legislation - the lunacy laws produced by 1845, during an increased tempo of government growth, a centralized bureaucracy to control the “trade in lunacy” and to supervise statutorily-enjoined public provision for the insane poor.’


9 posted on 10/19/2019 3:21:53 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: PeterPrinciple

“It does illustrate following:
Rev_13:17 so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark”

Compelling little insight there. It never occurred to me that the number/mark was the sign of the Bureaucracy of Man as opposed to a single man or individual - which is indeed a beast, or a leviathan!


10 posted on 10/19/2019 3:23:09 PM PDT by bluejean (I'm becoming a cranky old person. It really annoys me.)
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To: PeterPrinciple

SUMMARY The essay offers an analysis of the function and organization of the Commissioners in Lunacy from their inception to the passing of the Lunacy Consolidation Act of 1890. Adapting a model from John Harris’s British Government Inspection (1955), I have provided a discussion of the manner in which the Commissioners interpreted and implemented the lunacy laws - concentrating on the routine of administration - and of the relationships between the Board and the medical profession and the poor law authorities. In establishing the Commissioners in Lunacy within the wider context of lunacy “reform” I suggest that the law, as mediated by the Board, was the key formative factor in delineating the conceptual and real dimensions of the asylum system, and that the Commissioners, therefore, were crucial in legitimating a medical model of insanity and in perpetuating medical hegemony of institutions whose primary purpose was social control.


from the article......................social control


11 posted on 10/19/2019 3:30:47 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: PeterPrinciple

“A hospital where the sane are locked up for their madness and the cynical serve the state by acquiescing.”

- Anton Chekhov’s “Ward No. 6”

Thank you, I will take a look. I found this lecture (about 50 minutes long) about the writings of Anton Chekhov to be most illuminating:

Anton Chekhov and The Social Origins of Mental Illness

https://youtu.be/WCp59ct5zbc


12 posted on 10/19/2019 3:38:02 PM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1561529/posts


13 posted on 10/19/2019 3:50:12 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: Scrambler Bob

We are dealing now with a generation raised on Ritalin and Adderall and other drugs.

They join a generation that came of age after the liberals succeeded in getting the nation’s mental hospitals shuttered for “humanitarian” reasons in the ‘80s and ‘90s.

We have a VERY real “mental health” crisis on our hands. We all see it, every day.


14 posted on 10/19/2019 3:58:00 PM PDT by JennysCool
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

“The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: I’m from the government and I’m here to help.” - President Reagan Aug. 12, 1986


15 posted on 10/19/2019 4:10:28 PM PDT by Boomer (Our melting pot has turned into a pressure cooker)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

“There is a healthcare crisis among veterans for example — both mental health related and otherwise”

Why would a veteran ask for treatment when he knows that every shrink in the hospital is a festering bucket of lefwad dog crap?

How is a clinton or bernie voter supposed to help a vet?


16 posted on 10/19/2019 4:14:51 PM PDT by dsc (Our system of government cannot survive one-party control of communications.)
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My old mentor had a some good words for that:

Bureaupathy: (a bureau that is ineffective, inefficient, imbecilic.)

Bureaupath: (one who works in a bureaupathy; Usually as an individual is also as ineffective, inefficient, imbecilic as the bureau in which he/she serves, and often is also insane)

Bureaupathic: (the rules under which a Bureaupathy operates>

17 posted on 10/19/2019 5:09:47 PM PDT by LegendHasIt
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To: JennysCool

A different issue is the rise in anxiety in the healthiest, richest generation in human history - the middle and upper middle class kids in the West.

An estimated 70% are anxious. Why? They’ve been told by liberal bullies in power that the world is ending, your parents are destroying it, be afraid and hate your elders. Be angry and tear it all down. Then the lies they are told that the future will involve rationed food, water, space and even air, it will all be miserable, adds to the worry.

Another factor is the over-protection. You have a society centered around kids, partially because there are so few. They’re not allowed to get hurt and the potential for failure is removed from daily life. They get the message the world is dangerous AND that you don’t think they’re capable of handling it.

The third biggest issue is what Jonathan Haidt calls the coddling of the American mind. Teens and college students are TAUGHT pathological thought patterns like projection and catastrophizing. Your word choice is awkward? It is because you’re a bigot that hates me. Drunken hook up? He raped you, hate all men. There’s a tornado in Missouri? It is a sign the world is ending.

The Coddling of the American Mind: Haidt/Lukianoff
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqCNTopdBBs


18 posted on 10/19/2019 7:25:19 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

A different issue is the rise in anxiety in the healthiest, richest generation in human history - the middle and upper middle class kids in the West.

An estimated 70% are anxious. Why? They’ve been told by liberal bullies in power that the world is ending, your parents are destroying it, be afraid and hate your elders. Be angry and tear it all down. Then the lies they are told that the future will involve rationed food, water, space and even air, it will all be miserable, adds to the worry.

Another factor is the over-protection. You have a society centered around kids, partially because there are so few. They’re not allowed to get hurt and the potential for failure is removed from daily life. They get the message the world is dangerous AND that you don’t think they’re capable of handling it.

The third biggest issue is what Jonathan Haidt calls the coddling of the American mind. Teens and college students are TAUGHT pathological thought patterns like projection and catastrophizing. Your word choice is awkward? It is because you’re a bigot that hates me. Drunken hook up? He raped you, hate all men. There’s a tornado in Missouri? It is a sign the world is ending.

The Coddling of the American Mind: Haidt/Lukianoff
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqCNTopdBBs

This last issue IS driven by bureaucracy. That’s why you have diversity and even “ethics” training teaching this crap in colleges and workplaces. Then they blame everyone being anxious, walking on egg-shells and mad all the time on the systemic oppression they told everyone was to blame for everything.


19 posted on 10/19/2019 7:27:01 PM PDT by tbw2
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