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After sexual assault acquittal, video emerges of Mateen Cleaves dragging naked woman into motel
yahoo.com ^ | August 23, 2019 | Jack Baer

Posted on 08/25/2019 5:25:03 AM PDT by grundle

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To: Nea Wood

[Just a hint, gentlemen (not you, redangus,): If the woman you’re with would rather run outside practically naked, and be humiliated, instead of having sex with you, that’s a “no.” If she she’s yelling “help” to a bystander, that’s a “no.” If you have to drag her twice back to the room, it’s a “no.” ]


And yet when the cops showed up at the hotel and asked her if she was being assaulted, she said no. That’s presumably why the first judge threw out the case.


61 posted on 08/25/2019 7:43:55 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

How about kidnapping and unlawful restraint? Same defense though: he was trying to keep a drunk distraught naked woman from wandering off where she might come to harm.

The woman witness puts the lie to that scenario though. All he has to say is “you look after her. I’ll get her clothes and call an uber.”


62 posted on 08/25/2019 7:44:12 AM PDT by heartwood (Someone has to play devil's advocate.)
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To: setter

White girls dating black guys was the norm. Easily 50% or higher.


Yep. More biracial couples on my block of Florida suburbia than I can count. It’s the new normal. Almost always black male/white female of course.


63 posted on 08/25/2019 7:48:54 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: grundle

White women who believe the myths about black men should watch this video. Reality is a nasty thing.


64 posted on 08/25/2019 7:51:06 AM PDT by lakecumberlandvet (Appeasement never works.)
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To: setter

I hope they enjoy raising a child that looks nothing like them alone.


65 posted on 08/25/2019 8:02:57 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: Nea Wood

Actually I’ve been here since 1998, and yes I’ve seen changes in the discourse over that time. I also agree with your main point by the way. No means no, and a social invite does not by it’s very nature suggestion any sexual intent on the part of either party.


66 posted on 08/25/2019 8:04:49 AM PDT by redangus
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To: Nea Wood

Just a hint, we don’t bang mud sharks in motel rooms.


67 posted on 08/25/2019 8:05:12 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: Bobalu

Just look around...Smell that apocalypse approaching?

I do.


68 posted on 08/25/2019 8:13:58 AM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Like Enoch, Noah, & Lot, the True Church will soon be removed & then destruction comes forth.)
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To: sport

There’s an old saying, “you burn the coal then pay the toll”.


69 posted on 08/25/2019 8:18:25 AM PDT by 38special (For real, y'all.)
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To: Zhang Fei

There are tons of domestic violence cases in which the abused spouse (or whatever) doesn’t ever file charges etc. It’s still abuse. This woman clearly has a few screws loose, but this guy is also clearly a dirtbag and should not have been excused for what he did.

Remember the NFL player (Ray Rice) who was caught on tape beating his then fiance in an elevator and dragging her out of the elevator unconscious? She didn’t file charges either, and eventually married him, but he was guilty as hell lost his NFL career because of it. He did win a wrongful termination suit against the NFL, but no team ever picked him up to play again.

If I saw a neighbor hitting/assaulting his wife, and dragging her back in the house after she ran away from him, I would testify against the dirtbag - even if she didn’t want me to. That’s just the way it is.

A strong man is one who can control himself. Any man who can’t, or won’t, is not much of a man.


70 posted on 08/25/2019 8:20:02 AM PDT by neverevergiveup
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To: tomkat

I’m guessing the demographic couldn’t send a brotha to jail.


71 posted on 08/25/2019 8:26:46 AM PDT by bgill
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To: neverevergiveup

[A strong man is one who can control himself. Any man who can’t, or won’t, is not much of a man.]


Nobody’s saying he’s a stand-up kinda guy, just that this might not be rape, based on what the woman herself said to the cop.


72 posted on 08/25/2019 8:29:45 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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To: Zhang Fei

I’ve got my own life to live before taking seriously what outside observers think. Some of you must be big fans of Jerry Springer.


73 posted on 08/25/2019 9:00:12 AM PDT by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
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To: neverevergiveup

[There are tons of domestic violence cases in which the abused spouse (or whatever) doesn’t ever file charges etc. It’s still abuse.]


But these are typically longstanding domestic situations where there are other factors at play, meaning the victim has lots of wonderful memories of better times with the perp, kids with the perp or is reliant on the perp’s income. This lady just met the guy. It’s a completely different scenario.


74 posted on 08/25/2019 9:36:06 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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To: Zhang Fei

I think we’re on the same page. I’m not sure there was rape either, as no one else was in the room. That said, it is assault. I do know where you’re coming from though. Several years ago I was in an ice cream shop and this guy was pushing his girlfriend around, and she was very upset. I stepped in and told him to stop or we would be having a problem. His girlfriend then stepped in to defend him. So yeah, things aren’t always what they seem, but I would still do it again.


75 posted on 08/25/2019 10:03:08 AM PDT by neverevergiveup
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To: healy61
I’ll tell you the make up of the jury: basketball worshipers.

They have a "Basketball Jones".

76 posted on 08/25/2019 10:04:41 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: EEGator

Hey, maybe Michigan State would have to vacate their title, and we’d be the 2000 National Champions!


77 posted on 08/25/2019 10:06:04 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: grundle

Really, if the legal system and a bunch of idiot minority jurors aren’t going to give justice, we will TAKE IT FOR OURSELVES.


78 posted on 08/25/2019 10:10:23 AM PDT by Lazamataz (We can be called a racist and we'll just smile. Because we don't care.)
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To: Da Coyote
Need we even ask about the composition of the jury?

You don't. There isn't a white person for miles around.

79 posted on 08/25/2019 10:10:55 AM PDT by Lazamataz (We can be called a racist and we'll just smile. Because we don't care.)
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To: 38special

I want steal that one.


80 posted on 08/25/2019 10:17:23 AM PDT by sport
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