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If gun control...doesn't work, why is gun crime so low in other developed nations with these laws?
Quora.com ^ | Jon Davis Jon Davis, Marine Corps weapons instructor

Posted on 02/15/2019 6:04:21 PM PST by daniel1212

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Quora has some good content, at least the show me some, knowing my religious and ideological category, and I though this was a well-researched response that would be appreciated here, but not be liberals.

Yet what is needed most of all is God-controlled souls, and the less men are then the more they must be gun-controlled.

Robert Winthrop (May 12, 1809 – November 16, 1894), and Speaker of the House from 1838 to 1840, and later president of the Massachusetts Bible Society, explained that,

“All societies of men must be governed in some way or other. The less they may have of stringent State Government, the more they must have of individual self-government. The less they rely on public law or physical force, the more they must rely on private moral restraint. Men, in a word, must necessarily be controlled, either by a power within them, or by a power without them; either by the Word of God, or by the strong arm of man; either by the Bible, or by the bayonet. It may do for other countries and other governments to talk about the State supporting religion. Here, under our own free institutions, it is Religion which must support the State." (Speech to the Massachusetts Bible Society (1849-05-28), quoted in Robert Winthrop, Addresses and Speeches on Various Occasions, Little, Brown & Co., 1852, p. 172)

1 posted on 02/15/2019 6:04:21 PM PST by daniel1212
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To: sauropod

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2 posted on 02/15/2019 6:06:43 PM PST by sauropod (Yield to sin, and experience chastening and sorrow; yield to God, and experience joy and blessing.)
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To: daniel1212

Does he mean other gun control countries like Switzerland?

What a jackass communist. If you subtract the violent crime rates per capita of the largest Democrat-controlled cities from the US numbers, the US is as safe and peaceful as Europe. It’s not the guns, it’s the DemocRats!


3 posted on 02/15/2019 6:10:58 PM PST by Cincinnatus.45-70 (What do DemocRats enjoy more than a truckload of dead babies? Unloading them with a pitchfork!)
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To: sauropod

A more informative graph would include countries with the same assortment of ethnicities that we have.


4 posted on 02/15/2019 6:12:43 PM PST by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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If gun control...doesn't work, why is gun crime so low in other developed nations with these laws?

If gun control works and is so brilliant, why are most of these countries utter shit-holes that are so bad people do anything they can to away from them?

5 posted on 02/15/2019 6:14:11 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: daniel1212

I have read several articles in the past by British Constable and Fellow at Cainbridge, Colin Greenwood.

He seemed to me to be one of the clearest thinkers and most effective voices against gun control.

You should not compare Britain to other countries which have lesser or greater crime. You should compare Britain before and after they passed more and more gun controls.

Before 1919, Britain had no gun controls at all except the very minor requirement that you had to purchase a stamp at the post office to buy a handgun. The stamp was issued as routine. Other wise you could buy anything you wanted, mortars, cannons, machine guns etc.

According to Greenwood, during that period, the entire country averaged less than 5 armed robberies a year. Sherlock Holmes solved more murders than were actually committed in real life.

Now after some of the most harsh gun controls in the world, crime is in many ways higher than in the U.S. Burglary of an occupied dwelling is far more common in Britain than America.


6 posted on 02/15/2019 6:16:19 PM PST by yarddog
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Import all our hood rats to Eurtopia and they’ll have the same crime rate.


7 posted on 02/15/2019 6:17:21 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Cincinnatus.45-70
Many dem cities in New England and the Northwest are safe and prosperous. Is there something you're overlooking?


8 posted on 02/15/2019 6:21:24 PM PST by Ken H (2019 => The House of Representin')
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A more informative graph would include countries with the same assortment of ethnicities that we have.

Yes, and their age.

9 posted on 02/15/2019 6:23:54 PM PST by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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10 posted on 02/15/2019 6:27:18 PM PST by PROCON ('Progressive' is a Euphemism for Totalitarian)
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To: daniel1212

13 does 50.


11 posted on 02/15/2019 6:29:48 PM PST by cdcdawg
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Does he mean other gun control countries like Switzerland?..If you subtract the violent crime rates per capita of the largest Democrat-controlled cities from the US numbers, the US is as safe and peaceful as Europe. It’s not the guns, it’s the DemocRats!

In 2007, the Small Arms Survey found that Switzerland had the third-highest ratio of civilian firearms per 100 residents (46), outdone by only the US (89) and Yemen (55).

Many Swiss see gun ownership as part of a patriotic duty to protect their homeland. ..Unlike the US, Switzerland has mandatory military service for men. All men between the ages of 18 and 34 deemed "fit for service" are given a pistol or a rifle and trained. After they've finished their service, the men can typically buy and keep their service weapons, but they have to get a permit for them.

Roughly a quarter of the gun-toting Swiss use their weapons for military or police duty. In 2000, more than 25% of Swiss gun owners said they kept their weapon for military or police duty, while less than 5% of Americans said the same.

In addition to the militia's arms, the country has about 2 million privately owned guns — a figure that has been plummeting over the past decade.

People who've been convicted of a crime or have an alcohol or drug addiction aren't allowed to buy guns in Switzerland. The law also states that anyone who "expresses a violent or dangerous attitude" won't be permitted to own a gun. Gun owners also have to prove they can properly load, unload, and shoot their weapon and must pass a test to get a license. - https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/switzerland-high-rates-gun-ownership-why-doesnt-no-mass-shootings-a8230606.html

12 posted on 02/15/2019 6:30:37 PM PST by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: Cincinnatus.45-70

Right on. Subtract the Progressive shitholes and the US is safer and more peaceful than Europe is NOW!!!


13 posted on 02/15/2019 6:32:53 PM PST by RetiredTexasVet (Start using cash and checks or the elite class and bankers will make "cashless" the norm.)
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You should compare Britain before and after they passed more and more gun controls.

Which relates to population density, ethnicity and cultural beliefs and character as factors.

14 posted on 02/15/2019 6:33:45 PM PST by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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Treat black crime separately and the US is right in the middle of all those European Utopias.

But it would be racist to acknowledge it. Whitey and his 2nd Amendment must always be to blame.


15 posted on 02/15/2019 6:36:59 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Capitalism produces EVERYTHING Socialists/Communists/Democratic-Socialists wish to "redistribute.")
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Yep. See post #8.


16 posted on 02/15/2019 6:41:24 PM PST by Ken H (2019 => The House of Representin')
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I read that exact same study around 40 years ago. It was by the former head of the Federal prison system.

Violent crime rates for Whites in America is just about the same as most European countries. I think he said that Japanese Americans have an even lower rate than Japanese in Japan.

That may or may not have changed in the last 40 years.


17 posted on 02/15/2019 6:43:08 PM PST by yarddog
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To: daniel1212

Man, what mistakes I overlooked (fatigue) in my first sentence, which should read,

Quora has some good content, at least they show me some, knowing my religious and ideological category, and I thought this was a well-researched response that would be appreciated here, but not by liberals.


18 posted on 02/15/2019 6:44:14 PM PST by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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It is ‘easier’ to control your people if quick death is the sentence for drug trafficking, severe caning for spitting on the sidewalk, cut off appendages related to the crime they committed, public stoning and/or executions etc etc etc


19 posted on 02/15/2019 6:48:36 PM PST by xrmusn (6/98"Getting rich as a Politician means doing something illegal''(trunc) HS Truman)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Treat black crime separately and the US is right in the middle of all those European Utopias.

But it would be racist to acknowledge it. Whitey and his 2nd Amendment must always be to blame. More accurately, treat American crime in black culture separately, having been willingly deceptively enslaved by the liberal-victim-entitlement mentality. I have neighbors who are Ethiopian who work and bother no one, but many get seduced by the insidious liberal ethos.

20 posted on 02/15/2019 6:50:15 PM PST by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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