Posted on 01/21/2019 12:17:14 AM PST by vannrox
That, and the bureau of ordinance doggedly refused to upgrade the weaponry to repeaters, they wanted to stick with the single shot rifles as they felt that soldiers would panic and waste ammunition otherwise.
This is a massive over simplification, it was a bit more involved than that.
Custer was brevetted to Major General of Volunteers in 1864. In 1866, he reverted to his permanent Regular Army rank, Captain. Shortly thereafter, the Regular Army reorganized, and Custer was appointed as the Lieutenant Colonel of the newly raised 7th Cavalry. Since the Colonel of the 7th Cavalry never joined his command, serving on other duties, Custer commanded the Regiment. Most West Point graduates and Regular Army officers had similar stories, they served with the Volunteers in much higher grades and had to go back to their Regular Army rank when the war was over.
Brevet rank was usually awarded for performance in combat, recipients were entitled to the title, by courtesy, and could wear their Brevet uniform. This reads like most pirate stories, short on facts.
Had Custer won at the Little Big Horn, the battle today would simply be relegated to a footnote in the Indian wars and soon forgotten like many bigger battles.
This would mean that THE WASHITA battle would also have been nothing but a little “dust-up” on the High Plains, and without Black Kettle being killed there, Sand Creek would also have been forgotten. Black Kettle’s band was instigated to fight by Confederate Agents in the tribe.
Just for the record, during 1868, at the Washita, the Cheyenne and Arapaho were NOT on their reservation, but almost 90 miles SW of there. their reservation at that time was East and north of the Cimarrron River, West of the Arkansas river and South of the Kansas line. The old former Cherokee strip.
Instead, they were camped on the Washita, in the former Choktaw-Chikasaw lands.
They were not given the Washita area till several years later.
Indeed so. Who wrote this tripe?
In Bourke’s book ON THE BORDER WITH CROOK he mentions how before the battles, traders were selling tube magazine rifles to the tribesmen.
He says once the warriors were armed with such weapons they became “surly”. It would be considered the a-s-s-ault rifle of the day, yet no one called for banning them.
When Crook attacked several of the Cheyenne villages, and burned them, the camps actually exploded, there was so much ammo and gunpowder there.
I’d take their “facts” with a grain of salt. “After the war, the rank reverted to Captain and remained so for the rest of his career.” He was promoted to Lt Colonel when he assumed command of the 7th. https://www.nps.gov/libi/learn/historyculture/lt-col-george-armstrong-custer.htm
#3 That was Custer’s Last Pie.
#41 Like the British officers who would not hand out the ammo they had at the first Zulu battle.
I always liked Custer after reading an account of a Civil War battle where he rode up to the command tent where the Generals were sitting around studying maps. The Union had won the upper hand in the battle and the Confederates were in full retreat. The Generals were hesitant and overcautious to follow up on the victory as Custer burst in screaming at them to keep fighting. They said something like they couldn’t find a place where the army could cross the river. Custer ran out jumped on his horse rode to the middle of the river outside the tent screaming and cursing at them saying right here is where we can cross. It was too late when they finally did realize he was right. I wish I was better on specifics but that scene always stuck with me.
That was the fate of Jacob Greathouse and his wife, as recounted in "The Frontiersmen", and excellent book by historical fiction writer Allan W. Eckert.
There are many nouns that both singular and plural are the same word. Moose, deer, aircraft are the first ones that pop into my head.
I take your general point but the Little Bighorn would have been more than a footnote even had Custer won. Custer encountered the largest assemblage of hostiles in the history of plains warfare, and probably Indian warfare generally north of Mexico. The battle was a black swan event. Plains Indians did not travel in groups of 7- 10,000 people. They lived by hunting and had to disperse to find adequate game. A couple of hundred people would have been a very large village. Most were smaller. In this case, the Indians had concentrated to fight Crook on the Rosebud and had not yet scattered. Custer showed up at an unlucky time. His decisions make a lot more sense if one remembers that he was encountering something outside any normal frame of reference. A cavalry regiment should have been more than a match for anything it was likely to engage.
Since lions, tigers and elephants sometimes are born in zoos in America, does that mean lions, tigers and elephants are native to America?
“By any objective standard George Armstrong Custer was one of the worst men ever to be commissioned an officer in the US Army...” [jmacusa, post 6]
“... Most West Point graduates and Regular Army officers had similar stories...served with the Volunteers ...back to their Regular Army rank when the war was over.
Brevet rank was usually awarded for performance in combat, recipients were entitled to the title, by courtesy, and could wear their Brevet uniform. This reads like most pirate stories, short on facts.” [centurion316, post 42]
“I’d take their “facts” with a grain of salt. “After the war, the rank reverted to Captain and remained so for the rest of his career.” He was promoted to Lt Colonel when he assumed command of the 7th...” [pacific_waters, post 6]
“One interesting thing I heard ...was that Custer had two horse-drawn Gatling Guns available to him, but left them at the fort because he thought they’d slow him down...” [chaosagent, post 30]
jmacusa is assuredly entitled to an opinion, but might read up on West Point history, the American Civil War, and US military personnel practices before venturing additional ones.
_The Class of 1846_ by John C Waugh (Ballantine, 1999. ISBN-10: 034543403X; ISBN-13: 978-0345434036)
_Sacred Ties_ by Tom Carhart (Dutton, 2011. ISBN-10: 0425239101; ISBN-13: 978-0425239100)
_Exploring With Custer_ by Ernest Grafe & Paul Horsted. (Golden Vally Press, 2002 {Third Edition}. ISBN-10: 0971805318; ISBN-13: 978-0971805316)
_The Class of 1846_ informs us about USMA’s class of 1846 and how its members fared, as cadets and later as officers. Plenty of detail on early West Point. Prior to the 1840s, USMA was an engineering school. Performance of grads in the Mexican-American War set the public on the path that would help them judge differently.
_Sacred Ties_ follows the lives of six West Pointers (George Armstrong Custer, Stephen Dodson Ramseur, Henry Algernon du Pont, John Pelham, Thomas Rosser, and Wesley Merritt) who were still cadets as the American Civil War began: they had forged a special personal bond since entering. In asserting that Custer was “Reckless, frequently insubordinate, he cared little if anything for the welfare of his men...” jmacusa is not only factually inaccurate but intellectually dishonest and largely uninformed.
Before ACW, West Point had not yet become the school of secret hazing rituals, petty humiliation as embodied in the class system, or scores of dutiful cadets being dictated to and punished by martinet tac officers. The Honor Code did not yet exist. America of the early 19th century had no urban sheep; a certain frontier rambunctiousness and a small-r republican egalitarianism still existed. Cadets did not kowtow to officers as they did later, still less would they defer to civilian instructors (of which there were some then). By these less-stringent standards, Custer wasn’t a standout; “reckless” is arguable but more subjective. Such is sometimes needed in action; timidity and deference can get you killed.
One epithet jmacusa somehow failed to include was the accusation that Custer graduated without completing the prescribed academic program. It is true in a sense: when Custer & classmates entered, the program was four years in length, but political developments in Europe (widespread revolts in 1848) caused authorities to increase the program to five years, incorporating more instruction in foreign languages, geography, politics, and international affairs. On the outbreak of civil war in April 1861, demand for qualified officers led to the immediate graduation and commissioning of the First Class, followed by graduation and commissioning of the Second Class in early July, skipping the extra academics. Custer graduated with that second Class of 1861.
US military personnel policies have long been complicated and bedeviled by indifference during peace, followed by panicked buildups at the outset of war, to be followed by ruinous steep, sudden reductions after war. The civilian administrators were never shy about appointing officers to whatever rank they thought was need: hence the direct entry of many as colonels or higher.
The use of temporary rank was continued until personnel policies were subject to somewhat rational reform in the 1980s. George Custer and a couple others were hurriedly promoted to high rank during severe shortages early in ACW - a frankly political move was taken in desperation, but the blind stab turned out decently in Custer’s case. The others worked out OK too.
By the late 1860s the armed forces had been severely reduced in size and many reduced to permanent rank. This did embitter many who had been junior or mid-rank officers during the war, as they were reduced to enlisted status if they chose to remain in uniform. Custer had been popular during the war with his volunteers (many of whom had also hailed from Michigan), but he did become indifferent to the motley group of underlings he commanded from 1865 until his demise in 1876. The distinction between officer and enlisted was much wider back then; one gets the impression from diaries and journals of those he commanded that the officers enjoyed themselves, while the enlisted soldiers suffered and groused (cautiously and quietly).
In summer 1876, the 7th Cavalry did not leave the Gatling Guns at Fort Abraham Lincoln. As big and as weighty as field pieces, they trundled right along on their wheeled carriages with the rest of the supply wagons and the baggage train. On the morning of 25 June 1876, the 7th got word of the Indian camps along the Little Big Horn; Custer ordered the regiment to head directly at the Indians - across very rough territory. The Gatlings, and the rest of the wheeled vehicles assigned, were left behind because they could never have made it across what is essentially a small stretch of badlands terrain. Custer did not leave his supporting arms behind for whimsical reasons.
_Exploring With Custer_ is sort of a travel book. detailing the US military expedition to and through the Black Hills, July-August 1874, which Custer commanded. This expedition was one of the first to be accompanied by a photographer, who took dozens of pictures and later published many, which sold well and increased popular interest in a then-remote region. By the final years of the 20th century, fading local legend, changes in vegetation, and alterations of the terrain through mining had caused confusion about where the original picture-snapping locations had been, so Ernie Grafe and Paul Horsted resolved to document as many as they could, before knowledge vanished completely. They snapped photos of their own, included detailed maps and GPS data, and added day-by-day commentary in the words of the original expedition members excerpted from the diaries & journals many had kept. The book contains a long series of before-and-after images and is a great travel book for the historically inclined, plus a fascinating read for those curious about the real “Old West.”
Have you read "That Dark and Bloody River" by the same author? It's about the settlement of the Ohio River valley.
Wow, that blogger has a hard-on for Jews.
Maybe it is me but I was always sold on this image that the natives were completely helpless. Far from it. These guys were accomplished warriors that embarrassed Grant.
According to what I just watched “The American West” he foolishly would not wait for the other two armies, and wanted the glory for himself.
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