How the Trump Era divides Germany and Poland

ECFR ^ | Dec 2018 | P. Buras, J. Janning

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well, to be fair - FDR sold out the Poles in 1945 and Churchill acquiesced.

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The 1939 carve up of Poland between Germany and the USSR was the fourth time that happened -- in 1770 the Prussians and the Russians and the Austrians carved up parts of Poland and did it twice again in the next 20 years, finally wiping Poland off the map for 123 years until 1918

however Poland-Lithuania at one point was the largest European state in size and wsa the only power to ever conquer Moscow and seat their King as Tsar (1610)

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That was true in 1939 but no longer. To the south Poland has the Carpathian mountains. To the north the Baltic sea. To the West the Oder-Neisse river borders. To the east Belarus and Western Ukraine are bulwarks. The Russian attacks on the Ukraine have ended up making Western Ukrainians as fervently anti-russian as they were anti-Polish. So a buffer state. And the Belarussians want to balance themselves between Mosccow and Europe

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Poland's idea in 1920 under Marshall Pilsudzki was Miedzymorze - or intermarum, a union of non-german and non-russian states of central europe

If he had succeeded then the eastern bloodlands might not have happened

pilsudski was harking back to the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth (1410-1791) which covered much of these lands. He himself was of Lithuanian origin but considered himself a Pole