The Paradise Inferno (Saturbray)

www.brayincandy.com ^ | 11/17/18 | bray

[Grampa Dave]

Thanks for the reality Meme.

I took an early retirement buyout in 1997, and my CPA told me to fish and not to work to avoid paying even higher taxes.

I listened to her and fly fished from SE Oregon to the Ca Bay area. I was able to walk in most areas and walk up to the rivers to wade and fly fish. Then, Oregone and Californicator went into not clearing brush and dead trees.

Two years later, the brush was so thick most of the areas were so thick with brush/wild berries and Poison Oak, only the bears could get to and from the rivers from the trails.

This started in Oregone and went south through Californicator land.

My wife couldn't how hazardous the brush had gotten. We went to Gold Beach and took a jet boat up stream. I knew the operator and told him to show us how thick and dangerous the brush and dead trees were on the lower Rogue.

He would get close to the shore and explained that due to the greenies, only the bears could get through the brush. When we got upstream to the first stop, my wife told me to never try fish from the shore again. Then, she understood why I only fished from our boat or a kayak. That was at the end of the 1990's. I can only imagine how bad some of the shoreline is now in both states.

[bray]

They did just fine too when man was managing them. Nice cliche though.

[CodeToad]

“They did just fine too when man was managing them. “

Nice fantasy, but, no, they didn’t.

We’ve had multiple large scale fires in “controlled” forests, far more controlled than anything Kali has ever done.

[palmer]

I’m not going to blame a fire with many causes on one air quality regulation that’s been in effect since the early 70s.

The 1973 law was about foresty practices, not air quality. The air quality act was passed in 1999 and made worse in 2011. The amount of area burned by the state dropped from 30,000 to less than 20,000 acres (drop in the bucket). Federal burning was less than 250,000 acres, well below the 500,000 the feds say is needed.

[palmer]

I’m not going to blame a fire with many causes on one air quality regulation that’s been in effect since the early 70s.

The 1973 law was about foresty practices, not air quality. The air quality act was passed in 1999 and made worse in 2011. The amount of area burned by the state dropped from 30,000 to less than 20,000 acres (drop in the bucket). Federal burning was less than 250,000 acres, well below the 500,000 the feds say is needed.

[semimojo]

Wrong, it started in state and federal forests.

No it didn’t.

It started just east of town which is private land.

[palmer]

The Camp Fire started near Camp Creek which is entirely within the national forest.

[semimojo]

The burn code you posted was first adopted in 1971.

[bray]

From 1919 to 1965 there was over 50 billion board feet of lumber harvested in Oregon with more trees available than when they started.

You look at the graphs and forests fires acres burn increased every year from 1965 on and today’s acreage is off the chart.

Namecalling is a great tactic at most sites you visit but not here.

[palmer]

In 2002, after an extensive review of the scientific literature, the Board adopted a new annual average standard for PM2.5 ppm, and retained the existing annual and 24-hour standard average standards for PM10

From https://www.arb.ca.gov/research/aaqs/common-pollutants/pm/pm.htm

[semimojo]

The Camp Fire started near Camp Creek which is entirely within the national forest.

You're right. My mistake.

[CodeToad]

750 million acres of forested lands, and you want to destroy them so that you feel all safe and cuddly?

Even at a low estimate of $10,000 per acre to clear, that’s $7.5 trillion dollars every year or two.

THAT is the type of liberal nonsense we are seeing come out of Kali and into Colorado. Keep those nutty and insane ideas in Kali.

[bray]

Did you even read the article? The solution is selling the Federal and State land to private individuals who will harvest and manage the land.

Read before you attack.