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“Don’t Buy Expensive Defense Guns?” Revisited
The American Rifleman ^ | 06/03/18 | Joe Kurtenbach

Posted on 06/05/2018 10:27:46 AM PDT by Simon Green

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To: Simon Green

In 98% of successful defensive gun uses (DGUs), a shot is not fired.

Which means that a Lorcin is as good as a Kimber 98% of the time.

Fact: Guns prevent an estimated 2.5 million crimes a year or 6,849 every day. Most often, the gun is never fired and no blood (including the criminal’s) is shed.

Source: http://www.gunfacts.info/pdfs/gun-facts/7.1/Gun-Facts-7.1-screen.pdf, page 21.

Fact: A victim may have a strong reluctance to talk to a government agent about a firearm brandishing incident (which are 98% of DGUs) because they may not know the act was 100% legal.

Source: http://www.gunfacts.info/pdfs/gun-facts/7.1/Gun-Facts-7.1-screen.pdf, page 83.

In other words, the 98% number is probably low.


21 posted on 06/05/2018 11:23:57 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (<img src="http://i.imgur.com/WukZwJP.gif" width=600>https://i.imgur.com/zXSEP5Z.gif)
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To: Simon Green

I carry a Glock 17....about $500 ...it is as accurate and dependable as one could reasonably expect. A $15000 weapon is not $15000 because of it’s dependability!!!


22 posted on 06/05/2018 11:25:45 AM PDT by ontap
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To: Billthedrill

“... it has to go bang when I need it to, and it has to hit what I’m shooting at....”

That covers a lot. I would add powerful enough to stop the attacker immediately.


23 posted on 06/05/2018 11:26:25 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Simon Green

If you can afford it, why not.


24 posted on 06/05/2018 11:27:27 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: BBell

Hope it had half a box of monarch with it. ;)


25 posted on 06/05/2018 11:30:21 AM PDT by 1_Inch_Group (Country Before Party)
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To: Simon Green

Bought a used Springfield Arms XD in .40cal with night sights (looked like it was never fired) for $159 at my local Pawn Shop.

Put over 500rds through it without a problem....very accurate and pleasant to shoot.

You do not have to spend a lot to find a good quality gun worth carrying.....


26 posted on 06/05/2018 11:39:00 AM PDT by nevergore (I have a terrible rash on my covfefe....)
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To: Simon Green

I agree. The police will take any gun you use in self-defense, and you’d best plan to never see it again. I have planned my gun collection accordingly.


27 posted on 06/05/2018 11:39:20 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Enjoy the decline of the American empire.)
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To: AlaskaErik
G19 or G23 is a great choice. I have a friend who intentionally ran 3,500 rounds through a 9mm Glock (I think a 19) WITHOUT cleaning just to see if it would fail. He had ONE failure to feed after 3,500 rounds, and he figured it was time to clean his gun.

I DEPEND on that kind of reliability. And clean more often than that...

28 posted on 06/05/2018 11:41:31 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Enjoy the decline of the American empire.)
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To: AlaskaErik

I feel the same way about my XDM.


29 posted on 06/05/2018 12:05:45 PM PDT by jospehm20
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To: Simon Green

A “cheap” gun is not worth it, if it won’t hold up to all the rounds of practice firing you will need to put in, in order to become proficient.


30 posted on 06/05/2018 12:11:12 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (Socialists want YOUR wealth redistributed, never THEIRS!)
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To: taxcontrol
There are five rules of a gun fight. None of them have the word price.

Partner, we couldn't have said it better.

31 posted on 06/05/2018 12:30:18 PM PDT by TheConservativeTejano
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To: Kickass Conservative
I’m not sure that a $149 Pistol would make many people feel secure.

Then buy 2. You can easily afford it, and if broken in, and loaded with good ammo, it's very, very unlikely both would fail.

And if NEITHER failed, you'd be commanding a LOT of firepower.

32 posted on 06/05/2018 12:32:03 PM PDT by Fido969 (In!)
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To: Simon Green
I remember when reporters used to actually provide detail in shooting and attempted shooting stories, and it seemed once or twice a month there was story about someone getting a gun pointed at him by some gang-banger, the trigger was pulled, and the gun didn't go off. It was a miracle!

Then I noticed that almost all those guns were those little .25 “Saturday Night Specials”

A few years ago Taurus made some terrible little guns, .22 and .25 semi-autos, little pocket guns. I bought a pretty one (for my girlfriend) and I tried and hated the thing. Couldn't get more than 1 or 2 rounds off. I never gave it to her.

One day I'm in a gun store, and some little sweaty creepy guy comes in and wants to buy a gun. Looked like he was looking to go out a shoot someone in particular. The guy obviously knew nothing about guns, and the shop owner sold him one of those little cr@ppy Tauruses.

The fact is, crappy guns save a lot of lives. Mostly by NOT going off.

33 posted on 06/05/2018 12:44:02 PM PDT by Fido969 (In!)
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To: Simon Green

Do I want a Sig? Sure. Will my Ruger P89 get the job done? Sure wiil.


34 posted on 06/05/2018 12:47:09 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: Simon Green
Unicorn tear lubrucation


35 posted on 06/05/2018 12:55:22 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: Kickass Conservative

I don’t have any Hi-Point pistols but last year I bought a $2 raffle ticket and won a Hi-Point carbine in 40S&W.

I was going to trade it in for something nicer but instead I took it out of the box and started shooting it. While there are some things that are atrocious, like the bolt lever on the left side being a plain bolt run through a ferrule, I have run about 1000 rounds of mostly Winchester white box through it and have never had a jam or FTF. It is actually fun to shoot.


36 posted on 06/05/2018 1:03:28 PM PDT by OldMissileer (Atlas, Titan, Minuteman, PK. Winners of the Cold War)
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To: OldMissileer

I have the 9mm version of this weapon. Not a bad little carbine. I hate the bolt lever on the left side as well and it pretty ugly, but it kind of has the look of an old Thompson submachine gun to me. I just wish it held more rounds.


37 posted on 06/05/2018 1:09:42 PM PDT by sarge83
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To: sarge83
I just wish it held more rounds.

The first thing I did when I decided to keep mine was went on the Midway web site and ordered two Magpul extended magazines. They cost about $20 each. Sportsman's Guide just had a big sale on them in your caliber.

Don't let the snobs here know but I just bought another Hi-Point carbine in 10mm to carry on my property in northern Michigan as there are now so many Black Bear that I need to protect myself. I also purchased a Sig pistol in 10mm so when I go out on the property I have a carbine and a pistol to defend myself.

I used to carry a 44mag revolver but with only six rounds and then using it in double action I worried I may miss as a bear attacked. Adrenaline does strange things to a person.

38 posted on 06/05/2018 1:20:05 PM PDT by OldMissileer (Atlas, Titan, Minuteman, PK. Winners of the Cold War)
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To: Simon Green

Kimber Tac II .45

Don’t care what anyone thinks but, if I can only reach my crappy Taurus .38 revolver, I’m fine with that too...


39 posted on 06/05/2018 1:25:09 PM PDT by Vendome (I've Gotta Be Me https://youtu.be/wH-pk2vZGw2M)
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To: Lazamataz

Perfect!


40 posted on 06/05/2018 1:38:12 PM PDT by Carriage Hill (Life is simpler when you plow around the stump.)
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