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1 posted on 05/15/2018 2:03:25 PM PDT by InvisibleChurch
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To: InvisibleChurch

Seems fair. The good people voted for the representatives that continued to increase public employee pay, without additional funding for required pensions. Now pay up.


82 posted on 05/15/2018 3:26:31 PM PDT by BackRoads775
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To: InvisibleChurch
democRATS always get it wrong. Always.

Instead of back-stabbing the property owners all across the state, who don't have a dog in this hunt, they should require the current public employees with pensions to pay an additional 50 percent of their paychecks to fund this bloated public-sector pension debt. Let them get taken to the cleaners and see how they like it.

They should also fire all of the liberals running this show and start a renegotiating process with the pensioners. Tell them they'll only get 10 cents on the dollar and let them cry about it.

If not, the unintended consequence of this onerous, unilateral wallet-picking scheme by the state will cause a huge outflow of residents. Property values will dive big time.

And who you going to sell to? More idiots moving in who don't understand economics?

And if you think for a moment that this proposed 1% tax will magically disappear in 30 years, dream on.

Just as bad as Seattle's jobs tax to pay for the homeless.

Liberals will only figure it out when they are hit hard in the pocketbook.

And even then, they will blame Trump.

83 posted on 05/15/2018 3:31:01 PM PDT by HotHunt
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To: InvisibleChurch

Will the last self sufficient,self respecting resident of Illinois headed to Florida or Arizona please turn out the lights?


86 posted on 05/15/2018 3:41:17 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (You Say "White Privilege"...I Say "Protestant Work Ethic")
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I left Illinois in 2013. Taxes on my house downstate were 5%. Taxes on my house in Chicagoland were 8%.

As taxes go up ... and as working people continue to flee ... Illinois house values will continue to stagnate at the bottom. Supply exceeds demand. That simple.

So the tax RATE will have to go up even higher, or the assessments will have to be very phony, in order to collect more money. But house values will go down in direct proportion to taxes going up.

Some problems are unsolvable, which is why bankruptcy exists.


87 posted on 05/15/2018 3:46:19 PM PDT by spintreebob
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existing pension obligations must be honored, paid

but.. the state can stop amassing further pension obligations pretty soon, at least as fast as it renegotiates any public employee union contracts calling for them

the growth in pension debt can be stemmed!
all the fine citizens of Illinois need to do is elect some HONEST, NOT CROOKED and sensible politicians (and please, yes,, I do know that’s an oxymoronic phrase, ha!) But still .... the citizens of Illinois CAN fix this problem if they choose


89 posted on 05/15/2018 3:53:48 PM PDT by faithhopecharity ("Politicans aren't born, they're excreted." -Marcus Tillius Cicero (3 BCE))
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I’m sure happy to live in the state of Tennessee.

Sure, our government is corrupt.

They’re just not as greedy.


91 posted on 05/15/2018 4:34:23 PM PDT by RedMonqey (" Those who turn their arms in for plowshares will be doing the plowing for those who didnÂ’t.")
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“Illinois homeowners should pay about 40 percent more for the next three decades to wipe out the state’s crippling pension debt”

Here’s a better idea: cut the pensions of the fascist government retirees by half. No need to raise taxes. The next year, cut the pensions in half again. Year three, do the cut again.


94 posted on 05/15/2018 4:43:17 PM PDT by sergeantdave (Teach a man to fish and he'll steal your gear and sell it)
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As people start leaving, where will they get their property tax? From abandoned houses?


97 posted on 05/15/2018 5:05:56 PM PDT by SkyDancer ( ~ Just Consider Me A Random Fact Generator ~ Eat Sleep Fly Repeat ~)
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To: InvisibleChurch
Are we supposed to give more credibility to tax-the-rich proposals coming from employees of the Federal Reserve Bank just because of their profession?

Economists are sometimes good at figuring out, after the fact, that something went wrong in the economy and we now have a recession, or inflation, or shortages of toilet paper as a result.

They are notoriously unable to predict with any degree of accuracy or timing what effect a general tax increase will have. Some will say it helps put more money in circulation; others will say that's bunk: it's not the government's money to begin with, so you have to look at the effects on those paying the tax, too.

What could happen over time, if Illinois were to follow through with this 30-year penalty for owning property in the state is a proportionate drop in real estate prices as the state's population ages and retirees move to Florida and Texas and other places where they can live in relative luxury cheaply.

Existing home prices will likely be impacted by an across-the-board fixed percentage property tax increase. The delicate balance of sellers and buyers would have to tip. More sellers than buyers means lower selling prices. A ten percent drop in home prices would mean a commensurate drop in property taxes collected, if assessments are made honestly. (In Illinois? Is that even possible?)

There are lots of economists who doubt the Laffer Curve because it goes against their political leanings. They dismiss it, call it "trickle-down" and refuse to concede that the Reagan tax cuts generated billions in additional tax revenue than expected simply by lowering federal income tax rates. (Of course, the budget deficit increased during those years also, due to the Democrats going on a spending spree while they were still in control of Congress.)

Should Illinois implement the 1% tax proposal, we could see proof that the Laffer Curve is a valid model, even at the state level.

Too bad for the public employees. Tough luck.

116 posted on 05/15/2018 11:11:22 PM PDT by logician2u
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Reminds me of why I consider most ‘economists’ to be TOTAL IDIOTS.

In this example, the people who have the means, simply move out of state...thereby dumping an even much larger burden on ‘the poor’. Death-cycle. Too bad these ‘economists’ have never heard of ‘Detroit’.


117 posted on 05/16/2018 12:51:32 AM PDT by BobL (I shop at Walmart and eat at McDonald's...I just don't tell anyone)
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Too - funny....pay more for 3 decades....at which time they are told the pensions came into some extra cash and went way up because the workers deserved it so now it will take another 5 decades to fund it properly....


120 posted on 05/16/2018 2:52:27 AM PDT by trebb (I stopped picking on the mentally ill hypocrites who pose as conservatives...mostly ;-})
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To: InvisibleChurch

There is no known way of fixing stupid


121 posted on 05/16/2018 4:21:21 AM PDT by okie 54
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Pass something like this and the result will be more generous COLAs for government retirees. Pretty soon they’ll need another 1% tax increase. Just how democrap politicians think...


122 posted on 05/16/2018 5:30:10 AM PDT by OrioleFan (Republicans believe every day is July 4th, Democrats believe every day is April 15th.)
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No = 97%


128 posted on 05/16/2018 6:47:26 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (We're even doing the right thing for them. They just don't know it yet. --Donald Trump, CPAC '18)
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