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1 posted on 05/05/2018 3:02:59 PM PDT by PIF
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Restart it. The AF could use double their number.


2 posted on 05/05/2018 3:08:28 PM PDT by Red Steel
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Trump just demanded that China reduce its trade surplus with America by 200 billion per year.

That is four times, the complete start-up costs for the entire F-22 production line.

Saved, in just the first year.


3 posted on 05/05/2018 3:09:52 PM PDT by cba123 ( Toi la nguoi My. Toi bay gio o Viet Nam.)
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I a really stupid move, the Air Force destroyed the tooling used to create the F-22 in order to deliberately make it uneconomical to build more.


4 posted on 05/05/2018 3:10:56 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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An F-22 with F-35 avionics/Radar and IR detection would be the most awesome aircraft ever put on a drawing board.

Nothing could compete for at least 3 decades.


5 posted on 05/05/2018 3:12:58 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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Restarting a production line is very expensive. We should have kept buying the Raptor. https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=4&v=CCb_XbmB_iE Near the Chesapeake Bay we see them on occasion.


6 posted on 05/05/2018 3:12:58 PM PDT by outofsalt (If history teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything.)
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The plane is 20 years old, can’t they come up with a new and improved design? I remember seeing a demonstration of the F-22 at Oshkosh back around 2004.


7 posted on 05/05/2018 3:13:16 PM PDT by JoSixChip (He is Batman!)
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Poland might like some too.


8 posted on 05/05/2018 3:13:21 PM PDT by The Free Engineer
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Cost and budget issues aside, I LOVE the F-22! I got to see 6 of them flying a demo, some years ago, at an air show run by Hill Air Force base (Utah, 2008, or so).

They are amazing flying machines! I do hope we can get more of them, perhaps with Japan and/or Israel helping with the start-up costs.


12 posted on 05/05/2018 3:27:43 PM PDT by Enchante (FusionGPS "dirty dossier" scandal links Hillary, FBI, CIA, Dept of Justice... "Deep State" is real)
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Sounds like a winner! share the costs to reduce the cost. I’m for it!


13 posted on 05/05/2018 3:32:48 PM PDT by BBell (calm down and eat your sandwiches)
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There are 3 squadrons of them at Tyndall and around a hundred F-35s at Eglin.

I don’t live that far from either base but have never seen one. Just not in their flying area.


17 posted on 05/05/2018 3:39:42 PM PDT by yarddog
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Lockheed needs to be more creative and get that restart price down. I would also like to see an “E” model version that was focused on cruise missile strike. Starting with the new stealthy cruise missile and move to hypersonic missiles. They would be carried externally, but generally be launched at ranges that would not impact stealth based survivability. The U.S. needs to be able to service targets that are otherwise in the bomber exclusive territory.


18 posted on 05/05/2018 3:39:52 PM PDT by Revolutionary ("Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammunition!")
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Those numbers had to be generated by F-35 stakeholders. There is no way in the world that the non-recurring startup costs should be $9B+ dollars.

And I work for a government contractor. I know how this game is played.

Insane decision to stop production and destroy tooling.


22 posted on 05/05/2018 3:50:43 PM PDT by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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Thank you hussein.


23 posted on 05/05/2018 3:59:22 PM PDT by fso301
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One of the worst decisions the AF made was to halt the production of the F-22.


26 posted on 05/05/2018 4:25:20 PM PDT by gunsmithkat (There is no such thing as Too Many Guns)
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” the Pentagon would be crazy not to buy more Raptors for largely their unit cost alone as well as plenty of spare parts to support the fleet efficiently for decades to come”

Well there’s the rub. The pentagram, oops, I meant the pentagon, IS crazy.


35 posted on 05/05/2018 5:20:37 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ....)
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Canceling it for the F 35 fighter by committee was a disaster from the start. Of course the AF with their concern solely for political correctness is not overly worried about combat capability so long as everyone looks and thinks the way they mandate.


40 posted on 05/05/2018 5:59:34 PM PDT by Midwesterner53
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I think a restart program should prioritize F-22 components most desired as spare parts.


44 posted on 05/05/2018 7:02:13 PM PDT by clearcarbon
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We had one of these bad boys flying low and fast over the house about three years ago for the Chino CA. Air show. Awesome! Today started the 2018 two day Show...we had the A-10 showing off. Very cool especially the final Heritage flight with the A-10, P-38 and Mustang in formation.


46 posted on 05/05/2018 7:14:32 PM PDT by DAC21
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