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Here’s The F-22 Production Restart Study The USAF Has Kept Secret For Over A Year
The War Zone ^ | May 4, 2018 | By Tyler Rogoway and Joseph Trevithick

Posted on 05/05/2018 3:02:59 PM PDT by PIF

We finally see the study that was oddly classified on arrival and it has new relevance based on Japan's desire for a new stealth fighter.

Finally, in early 2016, the debate surrounding the need for more F-22s came to a head and study was mandated by Congress for the USAF to research what putting the super-fighter back into production would take. That study was finished in late 2016 with some of its findings openly discussed, but the document itself remained classified, until now.

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The total procurement cost would be between $40 and $42 billion, with the entire program costing a little more than $50.3 billion.

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But if another country, say Japan, were willing to pay for the non-recurring restart costs, the Pentagon would be crazy not to buy more Raptors for largely their unit cost alone as well as plenty of spare parts to support the fleet efficiently for decades to come.

(Excerpt) Read more at thedrive.com ...


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: f22; secret; usaf
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To: cba123
You also, apparently.

That's me.

Makin' mad yuan.

21 posted on 05/05/2018 3:46:26 PM PDT by semimojo
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To: PIF

Those numbers had to be generated by F-35 stakeholders. There is no way in the world that the non-recurring startup costs should be $9B+ dollars.

And I work for a government contractor. I know how this game is played.

Insane decision to stop production and destroy tooling.


22 posted on 05/05/2018 3:50:43 PM PDT by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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To: PIF

Thank you hussein.


23 posted on 05/05/2018 3:59:22 PM PDT by fso301
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To: Red Steel

“Restart it. The AF could use double their number.” I would suggest quadruple the number. The F22 is an insanely expensive fighter. In simulated combat it defeated the F-15 and the F-15s were many more than the F22s. They did not even see the F22 until they were dead. The pilots flying the F-15s were also F22 raptor pilots. The pilots had equal skills. The raptor killed them all in simulated combat.

Build more raptors, it is a bargain.


24 posted on 05/05/2018 4:16:36 PM PDT by cpdiii (cane cutter, deckhand, roughneck, geologist, pilot, pharmacist, THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR!)
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To: Bryan24

Again as far as I know, the tooling, videos and directions from the works on the original line were all preserved. Further, tool refurbishing costs are included in the report. Please read.


25 posted on 05/05/2018 4:24:51 PM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: PIF

One of the worst decisions the AF made was to halt the production of the F-22.


26 posted on 05/05/2018 4:25:20 PM PDT by gunsmithkat (There is no such thing as Too Many Guns)
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To: fso301

Thank former Sen Obie whose amendment stopped export and effectively killed it there and then.


27 posted on 05/05/2018 4:25:55 PM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: gunsmithkat

Universally agreed upon, even, I think, by the USAF.


28 posted on 05/05/2018 4:27:15 PM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: Mariner

The F-15 can’t hold a candle to the F-22 or F-35 and I’m not sure about China’s stealth fighter. Eagle pilots say in red/blue mock dogfights, they never even see the F-22 or F-35 when they get the signal that they have been shot down.


29 posted on 05/05/2018 4:43:30 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Conservatives love America for what it is. Liberals hate America for the same reason.)
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To: JoSixChip

Because it would be more than 20 years before it would be deployed. We need new fighter now.


30 posted on 05/05/2018 4:45:31 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Conservatives love America for what it is. Liberals hate America for the same reason.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

The F-15 is the most successful fighter ever but it’s days are numbered.


31 posted on 05/05/2018 4:46:12 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: The Free Engineer

Several allies might.


32 posted on 05/05/2018 4:48:02 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Conservatives love America for what it is. Liberals hate America for the same reason.)
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To: yarddog

Agreed. It was top dog and may still have a place, but not as a deep-penetrating, air-supremacy fighter.


33 posted on 05/05/2018 4:49:47 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Conservatives love America for what it is. Liberals hate America for the same reason.)
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To: maddog55
"A far better aircraft than the F-35."

F-22 is air superiority. F-35 is ground attack.
It's like saying this screwdriver if far better than this socket wrench.

34 posted on 05/05/2018 5:04:14 PM PDT by Psalm 73 ("I will now proceed to entangle the entire area".)
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To: PIF

” the Pentagon would be crazy not to buy more Raptors for largely their unit cost alone as well as plenty of spare parts to support the fleet efficiently for decades to come”

Well there’s the rub. The pentagram, oops, I meant the pentagon, IS crazy.


35 posted on 05/05/2018 5:20:37 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ....)
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To: Mariner

“An F-22 with F-35 avionics/Radar and IR detection”

Not really. The 35 moonpig’s target pod is literally over 10 years behind state of the art. It’s development has been so long that it could not update as technology passed it by.
An F-18 has a far better targeting pod, not even close.

The only thing the 35 has going for it is the ability to network data. That and it is slightly more stealthy than everything else out there. But by no means is it a stealth.
The 22 should be built and the 35 scrapped.


36 posted on 05/05/2018 5:27:19 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ....)
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To: gunsmithkat

Second worst.

First was to keep the f35 and just pour more and more money down the crapper.


37 posted on 05/05/2018 5:31:19 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

You have to be kidding. At this point a 35 cannot beat a 15 OR a 16 except is very staged and canned events.
It is slower than both, less maneuverable than both, less reliable than both, carries FAR less fuel and weapons than both.

USAF and Lockheed propaganda notwithstanding... in a real situation, it has no chance against the ships it’s replacing. The 22 is a very different story.

And any chance the 35 has against something else is to be hidden and fire BVR. Coincidently, our forces have almost never had ROE that allows BRV shooting. It’s rare to unheard of.

The 35 is a national embarrassment.


38 posted on 05/05/2018 5:35:11 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ....)
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To: Psalm 73

Yeah, except right now the F-35 sucks at ground combat. Even its sights are off.

It’s awful.


39 posted on 05/05/2018 5:48:57 PM PDT by Basket_of_Deplorables (President Trump: Please Fire Sessions!!! You have nothing to lose.)
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To: PIF

Canceling it for the F 35 fighter by committee was a disaster from the start. Of course the AF with their concern solely for political correctness is not overly worried about combat capability so long as everyone looks and thinks the way they mandate.


40 posted on 05/05/2018 5:59:34 PM PDT by Midwesterner53
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