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The F-22 and F-35 Are America's Best Fighters (but They Can't Communicate)
http://nationalinterest.org/ ^ | 4/7/18 | Paul Szoldra

Posted on 04/14/2018 1:59:33 PM PDT by BBell

The Air Force plans to start fixing the problem by 2021, according to Bloomberg. It will probably cost a fortune, so if you have the means, it may be good to check out some Lockheed stock.

The F-35 Lightning II jet can’t communicate all that well with its little brother the F-22 Raptor. Because of course it can’t.

Just like a government-built round peg that’s supposed to go into a square hole, the F-22’s communications systems can’t send its “most sensitive data” to other planes besides other F-22s since they are different from everything else, including the F-35, according to Air Force Magazine.

For now, F-22 pilots can only receive data from F-35 pilots and talk to them on the radio, but they can’t send data back, severely limiting the Lightning’s much-hyped role as being a “quarterback” on the battlefield.

Here’s how Air Force Magazine describes it:

The situation wasn’t brought about by negligence. In developing the F-22—and later, the F-35—designers needed to preserve the jets’ stealth against rapidly evolving adversaries. Standard radio emissions would reveal their locations, which meant devising ways the low-observable fighters could talk to each other without giving away their position. Both jets have what are called “low probability of detection/intercept” communications gear to stay hidden. The F-35’s system—because it was developed 10 years after the F-22’s—takes a different approach.

The F-35 can talk to just about everything and fuse data received from other fifth-generation and fourth-generation aircraft, since it’s outfitted with two different communications systems. But the F-22 has a communications system built only for itself, called the Intra-Flight Data Link.

F-22s were supposed to get the upgraded Multifunction Advanced Data Link that the F-35 has, but surprise, that was canceled five years ago due to cost.

“There’s a lot of improvements that could have been done and should have been done 15 years ago,” David Rockwell, a senior defense electronics analyst with Teal Group, told Bloomberg. “The Air Force postponed a lot of things for [the] F-22.”

The Air Force plans to start fixing the problem by 2021, according to Bloomberg. It will probably cost a fortune, so if you have the means, it may be good to check out some Lockheed stock.

Paul Szoldra is a columnist for Task & Purpose. His past bylines include Business Insider, We Are The Mighty, and Duffel Blog, which he founded in 2012. He served as a Marine infantryman in Afghanistan.


TOPICS: Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: f22; f35; fakenews; fighters; iran; russia; syria
It seems there is not much good news about the F 35. I'm not sure if it's because of the fighter jet or because negative press always sells better than the rosier versions.
1 posted on 04/14/2018 1:59:33 PM PDT by BBell
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To: BBell

F-22s were supposed to get the upgraded Multifunction Advanced Data Link that the F-35 has, but surprise, that was canceled five years ago due to cost.

and I suppose the HUD for the F-22 as well “due to cost”.


2 posted on 04/14/2018 2:14:54 PM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: BBell
Committee designs always have problems that are very expensive to fix. 180 rounds for its cannon is a joke all to itself.

The F-35 Hits A Key Developmental Milestone, But With Watered-Down Requirements - The War Zone

3 posted on 04/14/2018 2:17:31 PM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: BBell

But this is about the F-35 being fine, and the F-22 having an issue.


4 posted on 04/14/2018 2:19:59 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: lepton

You are correct sir.


5 posted on 04/14/2018 2:23:56 PM PDT by BBell (calm down and eat your sandwiches)
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To: BBell
The F-35 Lightning II jet can’t communicate all that well with its little brother the F-22 Raptor.

I'm sorry, but the F-22 is the BIG brother...

6 posted on 04/14/2018 2:26:01 PM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: BBell

This is about the 22, not the 35


7 posted on 04/14/2018 2:40:17 PM PDT by TexasGator (Z1)
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To: PIF

“....but surprise, that was canceled five years ago due to cost.” Weeeelll, we needed that $150 Billion CASH to ship in skidloads to Teheran; and there was other important things to spend money on....like perpetual welfare bucks for 10 million illegals and stuff like ‘at.


8 posted on 04/14/2018 2:54:14 PM PDT by Tucker39 ("It is impossible to rightly govern a nation without God and the Bible." George Washington)
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To: BBell
"Because of course it can’t."

But of course! Eet's beelt by Yankee imperialist peegs!





Try it, Ivan, and see how far you get.


9 posted on 04/14/2018 3:07:57 PM PDT by familyop ("Welcome to Costco. I love you." - -Costco greeter in the movie, "Idiocracy")
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To: BBell
It will probably cost a fortune, so if you have the means, it may be good to check out some Lockheed Harris stock.
10 posted on 04/14/2018 3:17:22 PM PDT by libertylover (If people come here legally, they're immigrants; if they come here illegally, they're invaders.)
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To: All

Did Jamie Gorelick have a hand in the design?


11 posted on 04/14/2018 3:50:19 PM PDT by LegendHasIt
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To: BBell

There’s a patch for that...


12 posted on 04/14/2018 4:06:59 PM PDT by Libloather (Trivial Pursuit question - name the first female to lose TWO presidential elections!)
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To: Yo-Yo

Exactly. Regardless of this specific issue, the F-22 is the original and superior design.

My opinion: F-22 = today’s F-15. F-35 = today’s F-111.

The Kitchen Sink approach rarely works. It did with the F-110/F-4, but even there, they had to go retro to machine guns to make it work in the field.


13 posted on 04/14/2018 4:17:02 PM PDT by YogicCowboy ("I am not entirely on anyone's side, because no one is entirely on mine." - J. R. R. Tolkien)
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To: TexasGator

It is.


14 posted on 04/14/2018 4:25:47 PM PDT by BBell (calm down and eat your sandwiches)
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To: BBell

F-35. A curvy blonde you find out too late is a dude.


15 posted on 04/14/2018 5:22:48 PM PDT by lurk
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