Posted on 01/30/2018 4:31:38 PM PST by Olog-hai
THere’s nothing that says that he couldn’t be both, you know.
This has got me irish up!
As a member of the Irish Revolution hero Michael Collins family I have long been embarrassed by the depiction of the Irish people as drunken brawlers who believe in little men and live to drink green beer. Notre Dame ought to stop insult insulting people of Irish heritage.
#63 ~ Wouldn’t that be your Royal Irish arse!? LOL
Oh, laddie, all Irishmen were descended from Kings!
I kinda wish that Collins would have survived to be Ireland’s first Uachtarán instead of De Valera. Even though he was the man who negotiated the Free State status, he was far more independence-minded.
I’d be foolhardy and unnecessarily provocative to argue with you ...
but I have a lot of Scots’ blood in me veins. ;-)
This ‘badge’ from my alma mater has no such drunken Paddy look.
Er, yes it does, look at it, it shows the usual squat, low-browed, simian-faced, hairy Irishman in pug hat and coat tails squaring up to brawl with someone.
Examine the anti-Irish cartoons and propaganda in 19th century pamphlets and publications in England and the US and this is the brutish, ape-like characterization you will find. It is exactly comparable with anti-semitic characterization of the jowly, long-nosed Jewish moneylender from the same time.
If Notre Dame wishes to keep it, that is their business and no concern of mine, but at least you should know the disreputable origins of the image.
The Irish Brigade fighting at Fredricksburg were stopped in part by the Confederates’ Irish troops.
There was a huge degree of sympathy among Irish nationalists for the southern cause, they saw direct parallels with Irish secession from the British union.
And let’s not forget the Irish who led the anti-conscription riots that saw the lynching of blacks and the burning of black-owned property in New York the week after Gettysburg.
As I said, the Irish have often fought on both sides in most of the wars they fought in.
Cheers
irish guard
So it only dates from 1965? It’s hardly a sacred emblem, sanctified by the mists of antiquity then is it?
So would it be a huge problem to replace the squat ugly fellow with all his negative connotations with a representation of a square-jawed Union soldier from one of the Irish regiments (the 35th Indiana?), or better yet to emphasize the school’s religious ethos Father Corby’s fine figure? To show the true proud symbolism of the Fighting Irish?
Who could possibly object to that?
The name fighting Irish originated in the 20s because there were a lot of Irishmen who attended Notre Dame and had a fighting spirit. So is it the logo or the origin of the name or both? For what it’s worth, nobody at Notre Dame wants to change it. As I said, you and I will have to disagree.
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