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On this date in 1879

Posted on 01/22/2018 5:22:39 AM PST by Bull Snipe

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To: Fiji Hill

Not natives, British citizens.


21 posted on 01/22/2018 6:42:48 AM PST by Bull Snipe
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To: JimRed
Considering the expansion of the Zulu empire in the decades preceding 1879, your comment is rather odd.

After 1600, everyone except the Hottentots were invaders in southern Africa.

22 posted on 01/22/2018 7:04:20 AM PST by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens")
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To: Pollster1

A lot of it was the difference in leadership. At Isandlwana (from what I have read), the troops actually ran out of cartridges. They were then overwhelmed by sheer numbers.

The cartridges were in heavy wooden boxes that took a while to open with conventional tools (they were reusable and reused, so the people in charge of them did not want to damage the heavy boxes). The troops were actually shooting the ammunition faster than they were being unboxed. They would have been better off breaking the boxes open with axes or something similar.


23 posted on 01/22/2018 7:13:28 AM PST by jim_trent
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To: Bull Snipe
href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUHCkVBJgVk">March of the Men of Harlech
24 posted on 01/22/2018 7:15:26 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: Bull Snipe
Try this again...

March of the Men of Harlech

25 posted on 01/22/2018 7:16:08 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg

Contrary to the Movie, the 24th Foot was the 2nd Warwickshire Regiment from 1782 until 1881. In 1881 it was retitled 24th Foot “South Wales Borderers”.


26 posted on 01/22/2018 7:21:28 AM PST by Bull Snipe
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To: Bull Snipe
Contrary to the Movie, the 24th Foot was the 2nd Warwickshire Regiment from 1782 until 1881. In 1881 it was retitled 24th Foot “South Wales Borderers”.

Yeah but there weren't any stirring Warwickshire tunes for the soundtrack.

27 posted on 01/22/2018 7:37:38 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg

Don’t trust movies to tell the truth. Capt. Bromhead, B Co. commander was skilled professional soldier. He commanded the company for 10 years prior to Rorke’s Drift. He had all the defensive positions in place except the mealy bag wall across the compound before Capt. Chard arrived at Rorke’s drift. Bromhead was not a country gentlemen who purchased his commission. Pvt. Hitch was a model soldier, not the good for nothing gold brick as portrayed in the movie.


28 posted on 01/22/2018 7:58:05 AM PST by Bull Snipe
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To: Bull Snipe
Don’t trust movies to tell the truth.

I never do.

29 posted on 01/22/2018 8:21:01 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: reed13k
I seem to recall reading that the two Zulu commanders at Roarke's Drift were political rivals. One commander may have held back his troops to force his rival to expend more of his forces against the British.

But it has been a while. I may have to crack open my copy of The Washing of the Spears to verify.

30 posted on 01/22/2018 8:35:28 AM PST by GreenLanternCorps (Hi! I'm the Dread Pirate Roberts! (TM) Ask about franchise opportunities in your area.)
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To: pierrem15

The Zulus were Africans. The English, Dutch, etc. were not.


31 posted on 01/22/2018 9:06:19 AM PST by JimRed ( TERM LIMITS, NOW! Build the Wall Faster! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH.)
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To: Tudorfly
I believe it was also Michael Caine’s first movie. And Second Hand Lion was his last.

Eh? Michael Caine has made plenty of movies since Second Hand Lions.
32 posted on 01/22/2018 9:29:47 AM PST by fr_freak
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To: GreenLanternCorps

My understanding is the incursion was done without Royal or parliamentary approval and after the disaster was replaced. That might be part of what your referring to. The replacement looked down upon some of the VCs that were awarded at Roarke’s saying they were just to cover up for the blunders of the first battle. The link at Wiki I provided above has some stuff on that at the bottom in the aftermath section. I was mainly looking at the tactics and differences between the successful repulse vs the prior massacre.


33 posted on 01/22/2018 10:59:43 AM PST by reed13k
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To: Bull Snipe

Thank you. My library had “Zulu”. It was good.


34 posted on 01/22/2018 11:38:11 AM PST by Pollster1 ("Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed")
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To: Fiji Hill

But did we slaughter them?


35 posted on 01/22/2018 11:58:29 AM PST by Vermont Lt (Burn. It. Down.)
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To: Pollster1

Both are very good.


36 posted on 01/22/2018 2:20:10 PM PST by packrat35 (Pelosi is only on loan to the world from Satan. Hopefully he will soon want his baby killer back)
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To: Bull Snipe
Not natives, British American citizens.
37 posted on 01/22/2018 3:54:20 PM PST by Fiji Hill
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To: Fiji Hill

British Citizens. We had not won the Revolution yet. If the Brits had won, we would have remained British Citizens.


38 posted on 01/22/2018 4:11:46 PM PST by Bull Snipe
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To: Bull Snipe

After the Declaration of Independence was ratified by Congress, we became American citizens. And most of those who fought for our independence were natives, because they were born here.


39 posted on 01/22/2018 5:24:18 PM PST by Fiji Hill
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To: fr_freak

Eh, Eh? I’d welcome a list. Always willing to learn.


40 posted on 01/22/2018 5:50:25 PM PST by Tudorfly (All things are possible within the will of God.)
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