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Models of star and galaxy cluster formation incorrect
Cosmos Magazine ^ | 05 Dec, 2017 | LAUREN FUGE

Posted on 12/05/2017 9:12:07 PM PST by MtnClimber

The dominant explanation of the formation of star and galaxy clusters is flawed and misrepresents the nature of time, a team of Brazilian researchers claim, in a new study that uses simulations to explain a long-standing paradox in a process called ‘violent relaxation’.

Clusters of stars and galaxies are tight groups of celestial bodies shackled together by gravity. Star clusters contain up to one million stars with a common origin and are up to 30 light-years across, while collections of galaxies are among the largest structures in the Universe, composed of up to 1000 galaxies with a mass of a quadrillion Suns.

In the study, published in The Astrophysical Journal, the researchers report the results of complex computer simulations of the puzzling gravitational dance of these massive objects.

Such groups form in a maelstrom followed by a calming-down process called violent relaxation, when the celestial bodies settle into their new arrangements and reach a state of equilibrium.

Violent relaxation has always been understood through the lens of the Vlasov equation, which was developed by Russian theoretical physicist Anatoly Vlasov in 1938 to describe the changing distribution of particles in plasma. It was applied to this phenomenon to approximate how thousands of stars and galaxies interact and rearrange their positions over time.

The new study, however, questions whether this understanding is valid.

(Excerpt) Read more at cosmosmagazine.com ...


TOPICS: Astronomy; Science
KEYWORDS: astronomy; science; stringtheory; theory; violentrelaxation; vlasovequation

1 posted on 12/05/2017 9:12:07 PM PST by MtnClimber
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To: MtnClimber

Scientists came up with these models.

The models can’t be wrong.


2 posted on 12/05/2017 9:18:34 PM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: MtnClimber

“Fluctuating entropy “ has a nice syncopation that might make a good tune.

“What the fluctuating for?” is a question only asked with careful enunciation.


3 posted on 12/05/2017 9:22:52 PM PST by sparklite2 (I hereby designate the ongoing kerfuffle Diddle-Gate.)
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To: BenLurkin

The science was settled long ago. Why do they keep bringing up things that were settled? They ought to be prosecuted and jailed for doing that.


4 posted on 12/05/2017 9:32:21 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

The new study, however, questions whether this understanding is valid.

No questioning allowed, after all, it is science.


5 posted on 12/05/2017 9:35:06 PM PST by taterjay
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To: sparklite2
> “What the fluctuating for?” is a question only asked with careful enunciation.

I see what you did there... very good!

6 posted on 12/05/2017 9:36:20 PM PST by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.")
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To: MtnClimber

We will never know as much as we don’t know, never.


7 posted on 12/05/2017 9:39:16 PM PST by Kickass Conservative ( THEY LIVE, and we're the only ones wearing the Sunglasses.)
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To: MtnClimber

Evolution doesn’t work for stars either. “He made the stars also.”


8 posted on 12/05/2017 9:39:41 PM PST by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR)
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To: sparklite2

Consider that last line *SO* stolen...


9 posted on 12/05/2017 10:14:22 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: grey_whiskers

Heh. Someone who appreciates fine humor, I see. LOL


10 posted on 12/05/2017 10:35:35 PM PST by sparklite2 (I hereby designate the ongoing kerfuffle Diddle-Gate.)
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To: sparklite2

Kinda like doing a number two. Jus’ sayin’...


11 posted on 12/05/2017 10:39:31 PM PST by jmacusa ("Made it Ma, top of the world!'')
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To: sparklite2

What a great name for a band: The Cluster Flux.


12 posted on 12/05/2017 10:43:08 PM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all white armed conservatives)
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To: tumblindice

Heh. I like that.


13 posted on 12/05/2017 10:46:49 PM PST by sparklite2 (I hereby designate the ongoing kerfuffle Diddle-Gate.)
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To: MtnClimber
Quote: “The problem is that Vlasov’s equation assumes constant entropy in the system,”

Quote: But Vlasov’s equation assumes that entropy stays the same. This suggests that time is ‘reversible’, which clearly cannot be the case (My aside: there may be a problem with that assumption: Quantum experiment reveals time really CAN flow backwards.)

Quote: ... the team needed to conduct complex numerical simulations, each of which took several days of computer time.

Quote: The simulations showed that the overall entropy does increase. But the team also found that at the beginning of the relaxation period, the entropy of the system actually fluctuates, sometimes increasing and sometimes decreasing.

Quote: “No other types of system display entropy oscillations that I know of, bar one: chemical reactions in which the compound produced serves as a catalyst for the inverse reaction,” Sodré said. “As a result, the reaction switches to and fro, and entropy in the system oscillates.”

14 posted on 12/06/2017 4:21:38 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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Note: this topic is from 12/05/2017. Thanks MtnClimber.

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15 posted on 04/23/2018 5:56:14 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (www.tapatalk.com/groups/godsgravesglyphs/, forum.darwincentral.org, www.gopbriefingroom.com)
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To: MtnClimber

At a guess, they are talking about Globular Clusters, not open clusters.

Globulars form around a black hole, and, some things that we call Globulars (like Omega Centaurus) are actually dwarf galaxies.

Open clusters are the residue of a nebula like the Orion Nebula. Once enough stars light up, the extra gas is swept away. But the stars remain.


16 posted on 04/23/2018 6:52:22 AM PDT by Conan the Librarian (The Best in Life is to crush my enemies, see them driven before me, and the Dewey Decimal System)
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To: Conan the Librarian

I don’t think we can observe for long enough to get an answer.


17 posted on 04/23/2018 7:44:14 AM PDT by MtnClimber (For photos of Colorado scenery and wildlife, click on my screen name for my FR home page.)
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To: MtnClimber

I think you are absolutely correct!


18 posted on 04/23/2018 10:49:18 AM PDT by Conan the Librarian (The Best in Life is to crush my enemies, see them driven before me, and the Dewey Decimal System)
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