Toyota continues with the fuel cell hard sell

Malaya Mail ^ | 10/18/17

[Mount Athos]

“I’ve been reading articles about hydrogen powered cars for several years and those who mention by products or expellants mention water.”

I guess you shouldn’t be too surprised at low quality journalism and outright lying by environmentalists.

The most common and cheapest method of hydrogen production (steam reforming with fossil fuels) has byproducts including CO, CO2 and other greenhouse gases.

One ton of hydrogen produced will also produce 9 to 12 tons of CO2.

[markomalley]

Thanks!

[Fresh Wind]

And water goes back into the atmosphere, or haven’t you ever seen a puddle dry up?

What’s important is the potential for taxation.

[The Sons of Liberty]

I've got no problem with fuel cells, but safety is a major concern. Here is a shot of a Tesla, which uses batteries (NOT fuel cells), after a crash. And there have been several crashes and fires, some fatal. Fighting the ensuing fire required special equipment and not every fire brigade has the equipment or the training. A car using hydrogen could end up like The Hindenburg.

[RayChuang88]

I think people forget one thing: the "exhaust" from a fuel cell automobile, water vapor, is a FAR more potent "greenhouse gas" than carbon dioxide. Millions of cars spewing water vapor is going to have a pretty pronounced effect on the local climate.

[Fresh Wind]

That must be a fake picture. As we have been assured, Teslas are so safe that you can take your hands off the wheel and let the car do the driving as you watch a DVD. A Tesla will never get in an accident. /s

[RideForever]

The flaw in the argument is that water can only be converted into hydrogen with fossil fuels. Because hydrogen can be stored, off the grid power sources, such as solar and wind, can be utilized to ‘crack’ water into hydrogen and oxygen for use in fuel cells.

Interesting note: Brown’s gas is the result of hydrolysis, and burns quite well in internal reciprocating engines. Yes, water for gas DOES exist.

[Ozark Tom]

A catalyst promoting oxidation of aluminum when mixed with water, while efficiently releasing hydrogen on demand, has been accidentally discovered by an U.S. Army Research Lab. The aluminum would form a waste of oxide or hydroxide, which could be later re-processed.

A fuel cell would combine oxygen taken from air with this hydrogen to produce electricity, forming water as the reaction product. Barring large losses of water to the process, only a minor operating reserve of water might suffice in a mobile application.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2142693-nano-aluminium-offers-fuel-cells-on-demand-just-add-water/

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0360319914023301