Posted on 10/05/2017 11:12:23 AM PDT by Trump_vs_Evil_Witch
Echos Yes...but debunked:
MSM shows small clips where there were echo’s. If you listen to the entire clip(s) it is 100% evident there are multiple shooters in different locations.
Do the work, don’t just listen to what is spoon fed to you (yes, it takes time to listen to a 35 minute clip, instead of a 30 second part spoon fed to you).
Echos has already been posited so this is just an echo of the previous echo that is echoing. Thank you.
I'm willing to look at any evidence they might have, but i'm not willing to simply accept witness testimony that they heard two shooters, because it's so easy to be mistaken about this when you are surrounded by buildings that can cause echos.
Exactly. Sound can do funny things, especially when you have a lot of buildings in the area.
Iranians in a speed boat with a rocket launcher on the grassy knoll. Sent by alien Elvis.
No, I am sure he fired those 10 rifles by himself.
That is my thought. Given where the shooting occurred wasn’t it almost in a canyon situation? With a “valley” and buildings as “mountains?”
i’m glad that needed to be posted in caps.
I very much doubt it is worth the effort. Occam's razor says it is far more likely that conspiracy theorists will sooner believe a conspiracy of multiple gunman than they will accept that noise can behave oddly in an environment surrounded by buildings.
he shot out of 2 windows as well.
It is, of course not impossible and not implausible. It is also a characteristic of multiple shots fired that people think they hear multiple guns. There are some reasons for that, multiple guns, of course, can be a reason, or echoes, or people colliding with things or breaking them to try to escape, or just turning one’s head from side to side and changing position relative to structures.
1. The explosion as the round is fired and leaves the muzzle.
2. The "sonic boom" of the round as it passes through the air.
3. The echo of #1.
4. The echo of #2.
Add to this the complication of distance, where the speed of sound distorts the timing of the sound relative to muzzle flashes and other indications of gunfire. If you're 800-900 feet away from the source of the gunfire you can be hearing all four of the sounds listed above more than 3/4 of a second after the round was actually fired. For automatic fire, this means someone close to the gunman may be hearing the sound of one round before you've even heard the last 2-3 rounds from 800-900 feet away.
Urban combat with tall buildings equals “where the blank are all those shots coming from”.
FBI can analyze decent sound recordings easily to determine number of shooters.
As a mass shooting Survivor, I can emphatically state that sound does strange things with multiple buildings around. However when you are in the clear sight line of the shooter, Echoes do not sound the same as direct fire.
Picked up a few skills from the intafada in Jerusalem.
“I’m willing to look at any evidence they might have, but i’m not willing to simply accept witness testimony that they heard two shooters, because it’s so easy to be mistaken about this when you are surrounded by buildings that can cause echos.”
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I guess it would depend on how much weight a person would put on the observations of those who would have experience with guns and especially those who’ve been trained to keep their heads when there’s gunfire going on.
Also, there are some videos being posited as showing another shooter - those should also be addressed by the PTB.
I'm currently going with "Anti-Racist Anti-Trump Social Justice Warrior" who is fighting "Fascists" just as the MSM has led him to believe he should.
I saw earlier where they said he started buying these guns in October of 2016. What exactly was happening in October of 2016 that might prompt a left wing kook bat to start buying guns?
I use a lot of NACL here but, as you implied, I don’t trust a thing the authorities say after the Feds get involved and the Feds were involved within a couple of hours after first shots fired.
Echos? Are you sure? The sheriff says they have a suspect in custody. They also have a dead shooter. He now says he had help. Even in the video shown last night there are multiple firing at different rates on the same audiotrack. Trump and the sheriff have both said there are surprises here. Consider there is the guest joining him for dinner.
No one has said there was ONLY ONE SHOOTER except people, such as here on FR trying to knock down any suggestion otherwise. I’m not convinced there is only one, nor that there are more. We need more information.
The sad thing is even on this forum, people who ought to know better than take anything propagated by any media source will get into an argument about unsubstantiated details. But, they are totally invested in getting their conspiracy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZygpm7p6TE
No doubt in my mind. I also believe that at least one of the federal government intelligence agencies was involved. Any "radicalization" information they might produce will have been planted.
The 'silent coup' just went public............
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