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Some Firing from Second or Third Floor at 5 minute mark.
https://youtu.be/fEf7HObspB0 ^

Posted on 10/03/2017 8:39:36 AM PDT by DOC44

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To: delchiante

Possible...but seems very sophisticated. On the other hand it appears a great deal of planning went into this operation.


61 posted on 10/03/2017 9:28:07 AM PDT by Portcall24
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To: DOC44
"And my advice to you, Jack, is to give me the code now. And if those devils come back and try any rough stuff, we'll fight 'em together, boy, like we did just now, on the floor, eh? You with the old gun, and me with the belt and the ammo, feeding you Jack! Feed me, you said, and I was feeding you, Jack."
62 posted on 10/03/2017 9:30:56 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: PCPOET7

Security guards chasing another security guard—nothing to see here—move along, citizen.

Remember, only right-wing crazies believe in conspiracy theories.

You don’t want to be one of those. :-(


63 posted on 10/03/2017 9:33:12 AM PDT by cgbg (Hidden behind the social justice warrior mask is corruption and sexual deviance.)
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To: Mr.Unique
Even if it's real, it's not the 2nd or 3rd floor.
64 posted on 10/03/2017 9:48:23 AM PDT by neverevergiveup
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To: mazda77
About 35 years ago I was working on a job where I used a huge tool kit and went to Houston once. They put me up in a hotel many stories up. I wanted to lean out and take some pictures but the window was fixed and did not open. Well, I just used my tool kit to take the window off.

I leaned out and took my pictures then put the window back on. I don't remember the exact way I did it, though. And who knows what kind of windows different hotels use.
65 posted on 10/03/2017 10:19:53 AM PDT by \/\/ayne (I regret that I have but one subscription cancellation notice to give to my local newspaper.)
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To: \/\/ayne

With all due respect, windows like these?

https://www.mandalaybay.com/content/dam/MGM/mandalay-bay/hotel/mandalay-bay-rooms/mandalay-bay-hotel-room-vista-suite-living-space.tif


66 posted on 10/03/2017 10:23:22 AM PDT by mazda77
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To: DOC44

This is really stupid.


67 posted on 10/03/2017 10:34:43 AM PDT by bar sin·is·ter (Climate Scientology - another example of science fiction morphing into a religious cult)
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To: mazda77
No, they were much smaller. However, I was just pointing out that even fixed windows can possibly be removed without breaking them.
68 posted on 10/03/2017 10:35:05 AM PDT by \/\/ayne (I regret that I have but one subscription cancellation notice to give to my local newspaper.)
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To: \/\/ayne

I am aware of that but I was trying to keep the focus on the matter at hand. From what I recall, these windows are only replaceable from the outside.


69 posted on 10/03/2017 10:38:28 AM PDT by mazda77
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To: mazda77

I agree with your point, sorry to be a distraction. Will consider that better next time.


70 posted on 10/03/2017 10:47:09 AM PDT by \/\/ayne (I regret that I have but one subscription cancellation notice to give to my local newspaper.)
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To: \/\/ayne

Actually, it was good you did as the amount of silly stuff guised as fact is rampant on this story.


71 posted on 10/03/2017 10:59:39 AM PDT by mazda77
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To: DOC44

As I fit my tinfoil on, does it seem since the Oklahoma Bombing that many crucial details and unanswered questions of such horror subsequent are just lost down the memory hole by ignorance or design? I think my point is that in an ever growing abundance of information in society that we are becoming less privy to information especially from the media and government.


72 posted on 10/03/2017 11:06:06 AM PDT by shanover (...To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.-S.Adams)
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To: DOC44

Doesn’t look like gun flashes to me, more like a light reflecting as the cab moves by. In any case, if it was shots there would be a broken window as already noted.


73 posted on 10/03/2017 12:45:41 PM PDT by Hugin (Conservatism without Nationalism is a fraud.)
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To: TexasGunLover

I’m a skeptic on most conspiracy theories, but I wouldn’t link TWA800 in with those. The government explanation that the fuel tank spontanously exploded never sounded right to me. It’s never happened before or since. Not a conspiracy, just the desire to tie things into a neat package rather than say “We don’t know what happened”. Although the idea that a plane can just spontanousely explode is a lot more worrisme to me than a terrorist attack.


74 posted on 10/03/2017 12:51:09 PM PDT by Hugin (Conservatism without Nationalism is a fraud.)
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To: Hugin

I didn’t interpret the NTSB findings as a spontaneous explosion, but rather one with a clear cause.


75 posted on 10/03/2017 12:55:12 PM PDT by TexasGunLover ("Either you're with us or you're with the terrorists."-- President George W. Bush)
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To: TexasGunLover

IIRC they concluded that an electrical spark from a wire set off fumes in the tank, but there was no real evidence other than the the tank was the location of the explosion. I always thought it was just as likely that someone could have put a bomb in the tank. No way to know but I wonder how much they investigated the ground crew’s background.


76 posted on 10/03/2017 1:02:59 PM PDT by Hugin (Conservatism without Nationalism is a fraud.)
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To: neverevergiveup

They were firing from the grassy knoll......


77 posted on 10/03/2017 2:55:41 PM PDT by minnesota_bound
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To: Hugin

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/plantsvszombies/images/8/83/You-cant-handle-the-truth-meme-generator-you-want-the-truth-you-can-t-handle-the-truth-9789dd.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150710082219


78 posted on 10/03/2017 3:25:10 PM PDT by DOC44 (Have gun will travel.)
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To: Hugin

“...The government explanation that the fuel tank spontanously exploded never sounded right to me. It’s never happened before or since. ...”

Try gathering more aero engineering knowledge before making such assertions. Not to mention experience.

USAF’s KC-135 aerial refueler (Boeing 720) used the same tank design. Electrical shorts and tank fires have happened so often over the half-century of service by that airframe are so common as to be almost a proverb.

Aircraft may not spontaneously explode, but they are very light, even flimsy structures that contain thousands of gallons of highly flammable liquid fuel - which they have to burn to stay in the air; this means hot metal and giant fire hazards close together at all times during normal operation. Fuel tankage, transfer, gauging, filtering, and flow to the powerplants are constant concerns of everybody involved (designers, builders, maintainers, and aviators), of the utmost urgency.

Aircraft are subjected to a wider range of environmental conditions than any other devices on the planet. They travel quicker than any other conveyance and problems can overwhelm even the savviest crew in a heartbeat.


79 posted on 10/03/2017 4:04:16 PM PDT by schurmann
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To: DOC44; All

Anyone think it was a pulsing flashlight like a Fenix PD35 to draw attention away from the shooters perch?. So as to confuse responders and victims and maximize the time the shooter had to wreak havoc?


80 posted on 10/03/2017 4:09:01 PM PDT by Polynikes ( Hakkaa palle)
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