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No, Trump did not cave
http://donsurber.blogspot.com/ ^ | 9/14/17 | Don Surber

Posted on 09/15/2017 8:43:16 AM PDT by V K Lee

UPDATE: From the Daily Caller just now: "House Agrees To $1.6 Billion For Border Wall."

ORIGINAL POST: The media crashed and burned last night over a Democratic Party lie about a deal on amnesty for some illegal aliens.

After a dinner with the president, Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer said, “We agreed to enshrine the protections of DACA into law quickly, and to work out a package of border security, excluding the wall, that’s acceptable to both sides.”

There is no deal. The president said so this morning. Pelosi and Schumer jumped the gun because they hope to gain leverage in a situation in which the president holds the trump card.

Everybody who panicked about this Fake News was a fool. That includes Representative Steve King, a Republican from Iowa, whom I like.

A lie travels around the world before the truth puts its shoes on.

People who railed against President Trump for "caving" made two mistakes.

They believed Pelosi and Schumer. They believed the media.

Me? I trusted President Trump.

I read their statement and knew it was a lie, or to be kind, an embroidery of the truth.

The reason tip-off were the words, "excluding the wall."

Of course the wall was excluded.

It's off the table.

President Trump has authorization for it. A 2006 law made it so. He is not going to relinquish that authority.

But there is no Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals law. It does not exist. DACA is an executive order, at best a blanket use of prosecutorial discretion.

Attorney General Jeff Sessions called it as unconstitutional.

Trump let the Pelosi-Schumer lie slide until this morning. He literally lost no sleep over it because their lie helps him in negotiations, and that is what they are doing: negotiating.

The only agreement they came to was what to talk about.

He made it plain to them that the wall is not negotiable.

Today, he tweeted:

"No deal was made last night on DACA. Massive border security would have to be agreed to in exchange for consent. Would be subject to vote. The WALL, which is already under construction in the form of new renovation of old and existing fences and walls, will continue to be built."

Got that? The wall is off the table.

Pelosi and Schumer's bargaining position is weak. They are in the minority.

But they do have a position, and they seem to be surrogates for Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell. Either man could stop a floor vote on any agreement

They won't.

This is a do-nothing Congress. Donald Trump's is a very active presidency. Contrast and compare. Congress needs leadership. Trump will provide it.

Meanwhile, anyone who said he caved on the wall is a fool.


TOPICS: Chit/Chat
KEYWORDS: daca; immigration; nohedidnt; ohnohedidnt; ohyeshedid; ryan; trump; wall; yeshedid
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1 posted on 09/15/2017 8:43:16 AM PDT by V K Lee
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To: V K Lee

AMEN!!! ^5


2 posted on 09/15/2017 8:46:59 AM PDT by HarleyLady27 ( "The Force Awakens!!!"...Trump and Pence: MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!!!)
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To: V K Lee

That includes Representative Steve King, a Republican from Iowa, whom I like.
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Oh, yeah. I remember Steve King. He’s the buffoon who got up there at some kind of rally for Cruz and flat out LIED about Trump’s comments about illegal immigrants.


3 posted on 09/15/2017 8:48:18 AM PDT by Pravious
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To: V K Lee

Of course. The left is playing those with NeverTrump tendencies on the right for suckers. You’d think “we” might have learned something from the primary and “won’t get fooled again”...but no.

“Resist” is now “Divide and Conquer”.


4 posted on 09/15/2017 8:48:38 AM PDT by bigbob (People say believe half of what you see son and none of what you hear - M. Gaye)
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To: V K Lee

No deal YET.

Trump desires an amnesty deal.

Does anybody really want to throw out good, educated and accomplished young people who have jobs, some serving in the military? Really!.....
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/908276308265795585

“Congress now has 6 months to legalize DACA (something the Obama Administration was unable to do). If they can’t, I will revisit this issue!”
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/905228667336499200


5 posted on 09/15/2017 8:48:44 AM PDT by Ray76 (Republicans are a Democrat party front group.)
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To: V K Lee

Absolutely correct. Right wing snowflakes can melt in hell.


6 posted on 09/15/2017 8:49:36 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (Progressivism is 2 year olds in a poop fight.)
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To: V K Lee

DJT has been screwed by his own party. He’s realized that the GOP is just about as corrupt as the DEM’s. The GOP is a little more to my liking, but just a little more.


7 posted on 09/15/2017 8:49:39 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie
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To: V K Lee

The negotiations have begun. Let’s see who “caves”. If I wanted to negotiate a favorable “deal” then I would want Trump to do the negotiating on my behalf.


8 posted on 09/15/2017 8:51:18 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (Freep mail me if you want to be on my Fingerstyle Acoustic Guitar Ping list.)
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To: bigbob

Very true and we must start to zot them on this forum. We have our own form of snowflakes.


9 posted on 09/15/2017 8:51:31 AM PDT by DarthVader ("These lying tyrants are about to get hit with a tsunami of destruction on their evil reign." Gaffer)
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To: All

Some never learn....


10 posted on 09/15/2017 8:52:23 AM PDT by JBW1949 (I'm really PC....PATRIOTICALLY CORRECT!!!!)
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To: Ray76

Trump desires an amnesty deal.
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What part of Trump’s statement that there will be “no amnesty” didn’t you understand?


11 posted on 09/15/2017 8:55:11 AM PDT by Pravious
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To: V K Lee

Citizens of other countries who broke into our country deserve no accommodation.
They have been ripping us off for decades.
If we do not hold the line, the rule of law and the country will be lost.

No new laws to benefit those breaking them.

We did that in 1986 and what was supposed to be an amnesty for less than a million became 3.5 million.
Illegal aliens are now 10 times that number.
When they say 11 million, we know it is 30 million or more.
The 800,000 DACA will become 2 million plus and then it will be impossible to remove their parents (who trafficked them across the border), uncles, aunts, cousins, etc.


12 posted on 09/15/2017 8:59:11 AM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here Of Citizen Parents - Know Islam, No Peace -No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: V K Lee

But, but, but......What about the gold medal for conclusion jumping? ;-)


13 posted on 09/15/2017 8:59:32 AM PDT by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?!)
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To: V K Lee

This is far from over and far from being settled.


14 posted on 09/15/2017 8:59:39 AM PDT by Bon of Babble (In-a-Gadda-Da-Vida, Baby!!)
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To: bigbob
Of course. The left is playing those with NeverTrump tendencies on the right for suckers. You’d think “we” might have learned something from the primary and “won’t get fooled again”...but no.

Quite a few of those types right here on FR. Then again, maybe they're not getting fooled, maybe they're paid Deep State provocateurs...

15 posted on 09/15/2017 9:00:16 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (RuPaul and Yertle - our illustrious Republican leaders up the Hill - God help us!)
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To: DarthVader

Zot those who stand for the rule of law?

Has this become a Trump adulation zone where no criticism is allowed?


16 posted on 09/15/2017 9:02:45 AM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here Of Citizen Parents - Know Islam, No Peace -No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: V K Lee

AMEN & AMEN!!!


17 posted on 09/15/2017 9:02:50 AM PDT by TheStickman (#MAGA all day every day!)
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To: Ray76

“Trump desires an amnesty deal.”

So you have the ability to read minds?

If/when President Trump says he wants an amnesty deal you get back to us, k?


18 posted on 09/15/2017 9:06:02 AM PDT by TheStickman (#MAGA all day every day!)
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To: DarthVader

Purging anyone you disagree with isn’t a very conservative position.


19 posted on 09/15/2017 9:07:34 AM PDT by socalgop
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To: Pravious

I’m pro-Trump, and I don’t think he has “betrayed” us or broken any promises. But I do have an honest question.

What is the difference between “letting them stay” and giving them amnesty or citizenship? If you “let them stay” then they will continue to get all of the many benefits they get (free education, etc.) and we even have places pondering resolutions to let them vote.

What is the difference?


20 posted on 09/15/2017 9:08:13 AM PDT by caligatrux (Rage, rage against the dying of the light.)
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